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18 State AG's Want To Know If UPS/FEDX Is Giving Feds Info On Gun Shipments

Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:14 pm
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
24937 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:14 pm
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November 29, 2022
Attorney General Knudsen Leads 18-State Effort Calling On UPS And FedEx To Clarify Gun-Purchase Tracking Polices

HELENA – Seventeen state attorneys general joined Montana Attorney General Austin Knudsen today in asking major shipping companies to clarify new policies that allow them to track firearm sales with unprecedented specificity and bypass warrant requirements to share that information with federal agencies.

Reports from Montana federal firearm license (FFL) holders made to Attorney General Knudsen’s office indicate that UPS and FedEx are now burdening them by requiring them to ship separately and track firearms, firearms parts, and firearm products so gun purchases can be tracked and retain documents about what specific items those shipments contain and make that information available to the companies upon request.

Knudsen and the coalition of attorneys general sent letters today to leadership at both companies requesting additional information on their new policies and the possibility that the effort was coordinated in part with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

“These demands, in tandem, allow [UPS/FedEx] to create a database of American gun purchasers and determine exactly what items they purchased… In doing so you, perhaps inadvertently, give federal agencies a workaround to normal warrant requirements. This allows [UPS/FedEx] to provide information at will or upon request to federal agencies—information detailing which Americans are buying what guns,” Attorney General Knudsen’s letters state. “Additionally, we recommend that you consider taking actions to limit potential liability moving forward, including the immediate cessation of any existing warrantless information sharing with federal agencies about gun shipments.”

In addition to requesting updated FFL-related shipping policies from the two companies, Attorney General Knudsen asked them to clarify the following:

Did UPS/FedEx enact these policies with the goal of information sharing with the ATF or any other federal agency;
Did UPS/FedEx enact these policies at the request of officials in ATF, a different federal agency, or on its own initiative;
If UPS/FedEx implemented these policies at the request of a federal agency, please identify that agency, the officials who made that request, the nature of that communication, and any legal authorization cited by those officials;
If UPS/FedEx changed its policies on its own initiative, please explain why it made those changes;
Did UPS/FedEx communicate or coordinate with each other in making these changes; and
Did ATF or other federal agency employees help draft the updated shipping agreements?
Montana Attorney General Austin Knudsen led the effort. In addition to Knudsen, state attorneys general from Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming signed one or both letters.



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Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79205 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:17 pm to
What action could feasibly be taken on this? Pay a small fine to the same people who Fedex is helping? That’s laughable.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98878 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:17 pm to
Wait a minute...

you mean the government is using private companies as a workaround to their constitutional limitations/restrictions?

next thing you're going to tell me is that the government worked with social media companies to censor people
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
1447 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:18 pm to
But thatonly tracts shipmets betwenn FFLs. Then someone would have to match up slaes receipts with ATF applications.

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98878 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:20 pm to
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But thatonly tracts shipmets betwenn FFLs. Then someone would have to match up slaes receipts with ATF applications.


every firearm I have purchased and had shipped had my name on it and the FFL's address for delivery.

they absolutely know who is the end user, and now they will know what is being purchased.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
28009 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:21 pm to
Guns always ship to FFL dealers.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
24937 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:22 pm to
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What action could feasibly be taken on this? Pay a small fine to the same people who Fedex is helping? That’s laughable.



No clue. May just be a case of "look we're trying to do something" for all I know. This has probably been going on for decades if we are honest.
Posted by Turbotoes
Clown world
Member since Dec 2020
220 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:17 pm to
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Montana Attorney General Austin Knudsen led the effort. In addition to Knudsen, state attorneys general from Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, and Wyoming signed one or both letters.


Never Georgia. The Georgia GOP is total garbage!
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
6851 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:30 pm to
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Guns always ship to FFL dealers.


FFL holders would be more accurate. A C&R (FFL O3) is a collector not a dealer, but sends/receives direct shipments. Always got a chuckle knowing my gun phobic USPS letter carrier was carrying and delivering long guns to my front door.

She had a fit one day while I was loading up for the range, called the cops and probably her shrink.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24958 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:39 pm to
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every firearm I have purchased and had shipped had my name on it and the FFL's address for delivery.


Yep my order from psa the other week had my name and a description of the firearm along with number of magazines in the box. Shipped to the ffl address but all the stuff they want was there.
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
879 posts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:44 pm to
From what I’ve personally seen in the past 2-3 months, FedEx requires a signature from someone at your residence over 18 for any package with ammo, powder, bullets, primers, hulls and I assume anything else the Feds want to track.
I started seeing notices on some sites I order from saying it was coming then a few weeks later FedEx rang the bell and waited for a signature for 2 lbs of smokeless powders and 2 boxes of .308 bullets. So far UPS just leaves the packages like they had always done before, maybe they’re just scribbling a name.
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