re: 12th Grade Girls Are Far Less Likely Than Boys To Say They Want To Get Married Someday

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Men certainly have objectified and sexualized women since forever and continue to do so today. I definitely am not claiming that doesn’t happen. Women want to be valued for more than the sexual pleasure men can derive from them. At least I do.

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Sounds like all you consume is pornography. Maybe go to a museum sometime

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Sounds like all you consume is pornography. Maybe go to a museum sometime

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Yeah I give posters too much credit. I figured all the people who weren’t wanting to have an actual discussion would have seen themselves out by page 11.

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Yeah I give posters too much credit. I figured all the people who weren’t wanting to have an actual discussion would have seen themselves out by page 11.

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Your ignorance regarding men has manifested into arrogance.

This 100% fact:
On a certain level most every great achievement made by a man has been in order to win the favor or attention of a woman. All of them! If that is not good enough to be given the benefit of doubt that “men value women” then the problem is not men, it’s that you have your head in your arse.

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Did you question his rationale?

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He said it in a reflective way. He wasn’t arguing that it’s rational. He acknowledged that It is problematic.

There were some significant moments in my life that my husband opted out of, which made me feel like all I am is a workhorse who is on call for sex in the marriage. After talking about my situation with several female friends, it appears this is a common experience for a number of wives.

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There were some significant moments in my life that my husband opted out of, which made me feel like all I am is a workhorse who is on call for sex in the marriage. After talking about my situation with several female friends, it appears this is a common experience for a number of wives.

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Sounds like you have lived a particular life and found similar folks that share similar interests

Just attracts a certain type of people i guess

I guess it’s easy to dismiss this as happening in a vacuum. It’s definitely more comfortable to do that than consider my claims about husbands in many heterosexual marriages are valid.

Do you mend fences, mow the lawn, take care of the snake in the sandbox, clean the gutters, put down the pre-emergent, trim the hedges, pressure wash the driveway, change the lightbulbs and smoke detector batteries, air filters, pilot ignitor in the stove, spraying the yard with talstar, etc etc etc? If you are doing all that, and all the other household stuff, and contributing equally outside the home, then you certainly have a legitimate gripe and a lazy or disabled husband.

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He acknowledged that It is problematic.

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Well duh!

If the facts are as you're presenting them, his acknowledgment is kind of like Harvey Weinstein acknowledging the castingcouchWeinsteining of actresses was problematic.

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It’s definitely more comfortable to do that than consider my claims about husbands in many heterosexual marriages are valid.

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Or maybe you claims have been considered and discounted because they're vague and essentially meaningless.

You mentioned your husband "opting out" of significant moments in your life. Nobody knows what you're talking about. If it's something like, "husband, I have breast cancer" then you're simply not believable.

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Cubs, that is just ridiculous. It's beyond bizarre, and it is blatantly misandric.

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Have you not read this thread? Shall I go to the front page of this board and count the number of threads bashing women at the moment? Or should I go to the OT and look for the latest babe thread?

Alternatively, we can look at historical evidence of how much men valued women. Marital rape was not outlawed in all 50 states until 1993. It was perfectly legal in all 50 states until the 1970s. Women’s suffrage (white women’s suffrage) wasn’t federally mandated until 1920 - 1965 for black women. I could go on and on: husbands could commit their wives to asylums, women needed permission to open bank accounts, women couldn’t own land in their names, etc etc. And you’re here indignantly gaslighting me into agreeing that society has valued women.

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WAIT!
Is that the mentality driving your domestic divison of labor arguments?
"I don't care how long you work, or how much money you make for us, you own this half of the home chores."
Really??

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Nope. The inclusion of overtime didn’t really make sense upon review of the poster’s comment, which was in response to this statement:

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Husbands in so-called egalitarian marriages, where they earn the same as their wives, spend about 3.5 more hours per week on leisure activities than their wives. Meanwhile, the women in those marriages spend a combined 4.5 more hours on caregiving and housework than their husbands.

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