re: What's a good first gun to buy for home security?

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And don't listen to somebody that says a shotgun is just point and shoot, you still have to aim it.

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you point a shot gun directly right at someone in your home and you will hit them, thats all im saying, you dont have to aim it like a rifle.

and you can point a hand gun directly at someone in your home, and unlike with a shotgun, you can unload the full clip and never hit them unless you have a lot of practice and are looking down the sights (something hard if not impossible to do in a dark house) so common sense says shotguns are far more accurate for non skilled shooters using it.

also pistols will shoot through walls and doors to continue on to unintended targets outside or in other bedrooms if you miss. its about basic safety

Do you know what the shot spread of a shotgun is at 7 yards?

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Some people get fussy when they are called out for using “clip” instead of magazine. However, it shows a lack of knowledge of firearms. Which in this case when you couple that with your other statements would seem to show that you don’t know as much as you think.

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also pistols will shoot through walls and doors to continue on to unintended targets outside or in other bedrooms if you miss. its about basic safety

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And so will buckshot. What’s your point again?

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Even if you're shooting soft tipped ammo, that AR will send most bullets through every wall in your house with a decent chance of making it outside and beyond.

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You sure about that?

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Even if you're shooting soft tipped ammo, that AR will send most bullets through every wall in your house with a decent chance of making it outside and beyond.

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You have demonstrated that you do not know what you are talking about. OP, do not listen to this man.

Good God, there are some "interesting" responses to your question.

Scroll down this thread, and read what Bapple said...if you have a way and live close, contact him......

See this link LINK
Most of us started our training with a single shot version.

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No one needs a rifle or .357 mag for home defense. A 20 gauge load of 6 shot in the chest at home defense ranges will stop anyone in their tracks, without killing everyone else in the house and your neighbors.

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I love when people are under the assumption that all 6 shots will connect with their target in a highly-stressful situation. You should never operate from a best-case scenario, ever.

I thought I had bookmarked a post I did a while back about why the AR15 is the best home defense weapon available. I’m in complete agreement with Chat and Civil and I’ll give my reasons. Anyone is free to rebut them:

1. The idea that a light, high-velocity projectile will break up quicker going through drywall is correct. Pistol rounds and most buckshot rounds will go through more layers of drywall. Using .223/5.56 will minimize collateral damage, especially using varmint ammo that is designed to break apart on impact.

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2. The AR15 is very lightweight and is especially lighter considering a fully loaded AR magazine is virtually the same weight as only 5 rounds of buckshot. I don’t know the exact numbers behind it but the difference is not significant. And when considering unloaded weight, the AR15 (16” or less) will be lighter since it’s receiver is aluminum and polymer and the bolt is quite light.

3. The AR15 has a much lighter recoil impulse than a shotgun with buckshot. I don’t need any science or data for this fact. This means that virtually anyone can shoot it without being beat up. A small shooter can easily handle an AR15 where he or she may have difficulty with the power of buckshot.

This lighter impulse will also give you much faster follow-up shots.

4. The AR15 gives you anywhere from 5-100 rounds depending on what magazine or drum you use. Obviously the most practical and advised would be sticking with the 30 round mag or going down to a 20 rounder if a 30 is too heavy.

5. The firing rate of an AR15 will be much faster than that of a pump shotgun. While 1 round of 00 buck may do more damage than a single round of 5.56, you can put more rounds on target in as much time as it takes to pump the shotgun and recover the sights from the intense recoil.

6. The AR15 is considerably easier to reload. Not that you would shoot all 30 rounds, but you could possibly shoot all 5 out of a shotgun or 15 out of a handgun. More rounds is always better.

7. Sound is not a factor when fighting for your life so thinking about the sound from a long gun compared to a handgun is also irrelevant. While you may do damage to your ears you will not know about it until the fight is long over. Look up articles on “auditory exclusion” to see what your brain does with sound during a fight-or-flight reaction.

8. The outstretched arms of a pistol shooter is about the same length as a rifle or shotgun to the shoulder. But I will admit the pistol does give you an advantage of shooting from retention or from low-ready - it can be held closer to the body when transitioning through doorways.

9. And while only an opinion, for those who say an AR15 is “too much” or “not needed” or something along those lines, consider this: I want every single advantage I can possibly have in a gun fight and especially one that involves defending my family. Regardless of what tool the perpetrator may have, I’m using the most effective self defense weapon that I own, that being the AR15. I don’t care about fairness or an even fight - I want every advantage I can possibly have.

Sorry for length and TL;DR. Bookmarking for later use.

I was thinking more along the lines of 12 gauge but 20 gauge would likely make the weight savings with ammo significant. If that’s the case, that point wouldn’t stand.

Well, youre just wrong. This is not an opinionated argument. There is a right answer. An AR-15 is the superior option when all things are considered.

Quite, and how many people will load there's with quality soft point? I'd be confident that most will put hollow point, FMJ, or go full retard and use green tipped. All those will without a doubt pass through a cookie cutter house and say hello to your neighbors. But use what you want, just remember you're responsible for every round that leaves that gun.