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What consitutes "going armed"?

Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:52 pm
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 7:52 pm
Thinking about the victims of the knifing attack in Minnesota where the perp was shot and killed by an OD LEO and I thought that maybe if some of the victims had been equally armed with a blade, they might not have been a victim. Obviously, it is against the law in some states to open carry or CC without a permit. If someone is wearing a filet knife in a scabbard on their hip, is this "going armed"? If they are carrying a Bowie knife in a scabbard, is this "going armed"? What about carrying a 16 oz. ball peen hammer? Or a softball bat? Or...wearing a hatchet in a scabbard? Lots of possibilities, I guess, but I just thought that SOME measure of self defense is better than nothing. Maybe some of the legal minds here on the OB can weigh in on this?
Posted by jdavid1
Member since Jan 2014
2632 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:30 pm to
Get your concealed carry permit and leave your ball peen hammer at the house.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8726 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:32 pm to
I agree with you, but the question is still unanswered.

ETA that I'm asking for a legal definition of what is "going armed".
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 8:35 pm
Posted by Easternrio
Member since May 2014
3755 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:33 pm to
There is no good reason to NOT conceal carry and be able to save your own life and possibly many others.
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
Member since Dec 2007
46719 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 8:59 pm to
You're asking for a legal definition which will always vary by state
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19416 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 9:02 pm to
You don't want to get in a knife fight with anyone. I carry a pocket knife anywhere I can but I'm under no illusion that it's taking the place of my G26 unless a matter of last resort.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
24571 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 9:09 pm to
Pocket knife might be better than the Glock though.

Just kidding.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7550 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 9:23 pm to
quote:

ETA that I'm asking for a legal definition of what is "going armed".

And you're coming to the OB for definitive legal info??
I vote w/ the CC crowd. If for some reason a person doesn't want to CC, I'd suggest non-lethat means of self defense, e.g. pepper spray, taser, etc instead of a softball bat.
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
12261 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 9:26 pm to
Never bring a gun to a knife fight.
Posted by Tactical Insertion
Member since Feb 2011
3205 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 9:37 pm to
I have a buddy that's a certified badass who is about to finish up Sheriff's training in Montgomery. One of their trainings was about how to handle people with knives. He said the instructor said (from across the room) "Ok, don't draw until I start coming at you, ready?"

And then the instructor was just all up in their arse knifing the shite out of them with this plastic blade before they could unholster their weapon.

Moral of the story, (besides condition 1 carry #bapple) is that if you can't draw quickly then you are fricked anyway.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8726 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 10:13 pm to
quote:

I vote w/ the CC crowd. If for some reason a person doesn't want to CC, I'd suggest non-lethat means of self defense, e.g. pepper spray, taser, etc instead of a softball bat.



Sigh...no, no, no, I'm just trying to figure out IF carrying a filet knife in a scabbard, or a hatchet, etc. is considered to be "going armed" as would be the case with carrying a handgun. The Minnesota victims were not carrying a handgun. Neither was their attacker. Since the terrorist had a knife, did he violate the law against going armed? And if he did not, then it seems to me that someone without a handgun could at least carry a filet knife or SOMETHING? Personally, I would have a handgun, but again, that's not the point of my question.
Posted by Who Me
Ascension
Member since Aug 2011
7090 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 10:45 pm to
I think this is what you are asking. This is the law for Louisiana. Like someone else said. Laws vary from state to state.


Here ya go brah

Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
12224 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 6:26 am to
quote:

Moral of the story, (besides condition 1 carry #bapple) is that if you can't draw quickly then you are fricked anyway.


I saw my bat signal so I came running...

Always carry condition 1 or condition 0 (guns with no safety). It's not necessarily a question of the amount of time it takes to draw but whether (a) the gun will be successfully racked and chambered or (b) if you will have both hands available to do so.
Posted by jdavid1
Member since Jan 2014
2632 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 8:12 am to
I would imagine in most cases you wouldn't be considered "going armed", but if you ever got into an altercation they would consider your armed and put the law on you.

I look at it this way. If I saw a guy with a hatchet hanging from his belt I would assume he has a need for it for a job he is doing. Same thing with a hammer. They wouldn't draw a lot of attention unless they were waiving it around recklessly.

We used to have a guy at work who carried a 8" buck knife on his belt everyday. He would even go pick his kids up from school with it. I asked him if he ever got in trouble for it, and he said nobody has even questioned him about it. Now this is south Louisiana so seeing a redneck with a knife is pretty common. If you were somewhere else I would imagine the SJW would have you locked up pretty quick.

All that being said, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8726 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 8:46 am to
A good friend of mine open carries all the time (where permitted by law) and also has his CC permit and has had his CC for years. He has been questioned three times by law enforcement when they saw his weapon on his hip. He is retired and he and his wife tour a lot on their motorcycles. Obviously, LE considered him to be armed or they would not have questioned him and asked to see his permit. Would they have questioned him or anyone else had they seen he was wearing a filet knife in a scabbard, for instance? Or if he was wearing a long blade of any kind? What if, instead of a knife, he had been carrying a billy club or stout stick? Any of these would be construed as a weapon in a confrontation with law enforcement, I imagine. But barring any confrontation and just peacefully going about your business walking down the street or buying groceries, would the cops accuse you of going armed? If I saw someone carrying a sword, I would be curious, to say the least. But I'm not curious or alarmed at all to see someone open carry a long gun or handgun. Is that being hypocritical on my part? Maybe the guy with the sword can't afford a handgun? Maybe he was denied a permit or couldn't buy a handgun because for some reason? But he is carrying a blade or billy club for self defense? Just trying to understand law enforcements' point of view here.
Posted by Who Me
Ascension
Member since Aug 2011
7090 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 9:14 am to
Dude what in the frick are you rambling about?

I don't even know what you are asking at this point.

Open carry has been discussed on this board ad nauseum.
Posted by Huntinguy
Member since Mar 2011
1863 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 9:34 am to
I recently went to an area where my CC permit is not recognized. Its also not legal to carry a blade longer than 3", and many areas that I visited while there (Government intallations) NO blade was legal.

I carried a small high lumen flashlight and good situational awareness.

When possible, my Benchade 940 was clipped. While not ideal, I would have been better prepared to meet or deter a threat with the blade and light that without. Would I have said I was walking around "armed"? Not without a firearm.

Everything is a weapon when applied properly, and the mind the most dangerous.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8726 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 10:00 am to
quote:

You don't want to get in a knife fight with anyone.


Very true. Actually, I don't want to get into any kind of fight with anyone. I'm too old and broke down to fight or run now. I just don't want to be defenseless if backed into a corner and the law has precluded me from carrying a handgun for self defense.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23343 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 11:48 am to
quote:

I think this is what you are asking. This is the law for Louisiana. Like someone else said. Laws vary from state to state.


Here ya go brah


Interesting, as that reads, a spring-assisted knife falls under the illegal weapons code. I thought that had been changed.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
11030 posts
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

And then the instructor was just all up in their arse knifing the shite out of them with this plastic blade


We do this all the time before or after jits class. I don't think there is a better way to develop hand speed and a secondary benefit is the self defense aspect. I swear our instructor has got us prepped for doing a side gig at Benihanas.
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