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Posted on 12/30/18 at 8:49 pm to 19557LSU
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is hard to believe a biologist would incite this type of scare. This prion has been known for decades and there has never been a scenario where this disease has caused mass death in a herd of deer. Please stop panicking.
Couple things: we were having an informal conversation at dinner for a mutual acquaintance. I don’t know this guy personally. He wasn’t necessarily inciting a massive scare.
His point was: he and colleagues believe it’s way way more widespread than a few isolated cases. With the popularity of feeding deer corn, it’s got the potential to spread like wildfire
Posted on 12/30/18 at 9:02 pm to brightside878
Did he have any idea how it ended up in Mississippi?
Posted on 12/30/18 at 9:22 pm to lsu13lsu
He said it came from people importing to high fence properties
Posted on 12/30/18 at 9:41 pm to lsu13lsu
I went to a Ms dept of game and fish "town hall" on CWD. They really wouldn't say with any certainty how it got here. They did say that either live or carcass transport are likely. Tests have shown that crows fed meat from CWD deer, had CWD in their droppings.
When a deer comes in contact with it, in 6 months the deer begins to "shed" the prion through hair, urine, crap and most transmissable, the saliva. The deer will continue producing and dropping CWD until death. 16-60 months incubation with no sign of symptoms. Once symptoms show, the deer has 6 weeks.
The 1st deer actually died of pneumonia due to complications from CWD.
One was called in. The deer was thought to be tame and would not leave someone's yard. The deer charged people at one point. GW put the deer down.
The one in Marshall county was a road kill. Looked very sick, skin and bones.
I believe the 4th was found in voluntary testing.
Use gloves when cleaning the deer. Do not cut the spine or bone with the same tools used to debone the deer. Clean all tools with 50/50 water/bleach solution for at least 1 hour. If in a CWD zone, do not transport bone, spine, skull with brain matter out of the zone, only deboned meat. Leave carcass at kill site or double bag and take to an approved lined landfill, or bury it 8 feet deep.
When the 1st deer was found, MSU head of vet med put out a statement. It basically said, that while no case of CWD had ever been found to have transfered to humans, do not consume meat unless it has tested negative for CWD.
All of the above was info from the meeting with game and fish. Not sure they are trying to scare anyone, but the shite is scary to me.
When a deer comes in contact with it, in 6 months the deer begins to "shed" the prion through hair, urine, crap and most transmissable, the saliva. The deer will continue producing and dropping CWD until death. 16-60 months incubation with no sign of symptoms. Once symptoms show, the deer has 6 weeks.
The 1st deer actually died of pneumonia due to complications from CWD.
One was called in. The deer was thought to be tame and would not leave someone's yard. The deer charged people at one point. GW put the deer down.
The one in Marshall county was a road kill. Looked very sick, skin and bones.
I believe the 4th was found in voluntary testing.
Use gloves when cleaning the deer. Do not cut the spine or bone with the same tools used to debone the deer. Clean all tools with 50/50 water/bleach solution for at least 1 hour. If in a CWD zone, do not transport bone, spine, skull with brain matter out of the zone, only deboned meat. Leave carcass at kill site or double bag and take to an approved lined landfill, or bury it 8 feet deep.
When the 1st deer was found, MSU head of vet med put out a statement. It basically said, that while no case of CWD had ever been found to have transfered to humans, do not consume meat unless it has tested negative for CWD.
All of the above was info from the meeting with game and fish. Not sure they are trying to scare anyone, but the shite is scary to me.
Posted on 12/30/18 at 10:08 pm to MSWebfoot
Thank you for the info. Could the huge popularity of deer corn be a cause too?
I don’t think it scares people but gets them informed like back with Mad Cow Disease
I don’t think it scares people but gets them informed like back with Mad Cow Disease
Posted on 12/30/18 at 10:20 pm to biggsc
They banned feeding in the zones due to the fact that in unnaturally concentrates deer. They also belive that saliva is the most transmissible form.
Supplemental feeding has not been banned statewide, yet.
Supplemental feeding has not been banned statewide, yet.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 5:33 am to brightside878
It’s natural to want to assign blame. And we assign blame to things we don’t like. At this point, no one knows if it has moved around from fences, feeding, bringing elk back from Colorado or whatever.
The reality we need to deal with is that it’s here. It only ruins deer hunting if we let it. What good is extending seasons in Tennessee going to do in the zone? You’ll just have less deer. It won’t solve a thing. But it feels good to “do something”.
The reality we need to deal with is that it’s here. It only ruins deer hunting if we let it. What good is extending seasons in Tennessee going to do in the zone? You’ll just have less deer. It won’t solve a thing. But it feels good to “do something”.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 6:30 am to 257WBY
They are extending the season so they can get more samples and get an idea of how prevelant it is.
That area of the state has extremely high deer numbers. The bag limit is 3 does per day and the season is 3 months long.
That area of the state has extremely high deer numbers. The bag limit is 3 does per day and the season is 3 months long.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 6:31 am to 257WBY
Time to ban feeding in Louisiana and Mississippi state wide.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 6:51 am to JakeMik
I wouldnt be opposed to banning it at the federal level, no supplemental feeding of wild free roam game. It is not natural and IMO is a big contributor. I know people going through more than a ton of corn/soybeans per year feeding deer. Like someone said, it unnaturally concentrates them and lends to this kind of thing.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 7:20 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
You have to think that with more deer than people in MS, for every case found there are ten undiscovered. No state has the manpower to properly evaluate and control something like this. The best we can hope for is to follow whatever measures are put in place and watch it run its course.
I can’t help but wonder if the 40-50 year trend of planting food plots and deer feeders has caused this. Concentrating deer into groups. In the last 30-40 years the trend of killing the biggest and strongest deer out of the herds is viewed as helping the deer population but is it?
I can’t help but wonder if the 40-50 year trend of planting food plots and deer feeders has caused this. Concentrating deer into groups. In the last 30-40 years the trend of killing the biggest and strongest deer out of the herds is viewed as helping the deer population but is it?
Posted on 12/31/18 at 7:59 am to Purple Spoon
LINK
This thread, and others on bowsite feature posters who’ve dealt with CWD animals in Colorado for 50 years. They eat it, have plenty of animals to hunt, and are living healthy.
The biggest threat we have is an overreaction by game departments in the name of doing something.
This thread, and others on bowsite feature posters who’ve dealt with CWD animals in Colorado for 50 years. They eat it, have plenty of animals to hunt, and are living healthy.
The biggest threat we have is an overreaction by game departments in the name of doing something.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:20 am to MSWebfoot
How about oak trees? Don’t deer concentrate feeding under these and have for decades?
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:26 am to 19557LSU
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:33 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I wouldnt be opposed to banning it at the federal level, no supplemental feeding of wild free roam game.
Deer belong to the states. The feds regulate enough shite as it is.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:34 am to 19557LSU
Acorns, food plots and ag fields are different in that the deer are generally browsing and eating on the move. In a feeder, pile, mineral site or trough situation the deer are nose to nose.
Deer naturally do alot of licking and grooming of each other. So if a deer has it, it will spread through nature behavior anyway.
My opinion is that feeding just makes it easier to spread it. You get different family groups in the same feed piles that wouldn't naturally be together. I do not think that banning feeding will stop CWD, it is just risk mitigation at best.
Deer naturally do alot of licking and grooming of each other. So if a deer has it, it will spread through nature behavior anyway.
My opinion is that feeding just makes it easier to spread it. You get different family groups in the same feed piles that wouldn't naturally be together. I do not think that banning feeding will stop CWD, it is just risk mitigation at best.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:44 am to 19557LSU
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How about oak trees? Don’t deer concentrate feeding under these and have for decades?
I found the corn piler.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 9:00 am to 257WBY
My concerns aren't too much that cwd will decimate deer numbers. The places that have had cwd for some time still manage to have numbers that allow them to hunt deer successfully. Farmers will be happy their crops aren't being ate all up from the crazy high deer numbers that possibly have never been seen before in this continent's history.
My concern is the possible link between cwd and cjd. I can deal with less deer numbers. It won't upset me too much If I can only kill one deer per year. But if there is ever shown a strong link to CJD then my deer eating days are likely over.
And hopefully it would end there and not jump to humans via eating plants that grew in contaminated soil which is some apocalyptic shite that I don't want to think about.
My concern is the possible link between cwd and cjd. I can deal with less deer numbers. It won't upset me too much If I can only kill one deer per year. But if there is ever shown a strong link to CJD then my deer eating days are likely over.
And hopefully it would end there and not jump to humans via eating plants that grew in contaminated soil which is some apocalyptic shite that I don't want to think about.
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