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Thoughts on IMI 556 ammo?

Posted on 6/27/21 at 4:53 pm
Posted by stuckintexas
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 4:53 pm
Specifically 5.56 77g HP, but thoughts on IMI in general welcome. About $1/round and available on Midway USA.

77g 556 hp Midway USA

I usually buy ammo at GT Distributors but they limit HP 556 to LEO and active military in store.
Posted by UPGDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 6:09 pm to
I just bought 200 rounds (month ago) and had no issues. I got the 62g and they were $14.99/20. They have gone up a little and are now $17.99. I don't know why; it seems that some ammo prices seem to be creeping down overall. Still high though.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 6:41 pm to
IMI makes good stuff, I use to run a lot of their 9mm machine gun ammo and I can't remember a failure. I am talking tens of thousands of rounds, not just a few hundred.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
17796 posts
Posted on 6/27/21 at 6:43 pm to
Good stuff, seems to produce about the same groups in my 16" 1:7 and 20" 1:9 rifles. Seems cleaner than LC M855, never got it on my chrono to see how consistent it was in velocity though.
Posted by stuckintexas
Austin & DFW
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 6:59 pm to
I got 1200 rounds of the 62g for $948 about 3 months ago. I've only gone thru about 60 rounds, though, and didn't think that was enough of a sample size to go off of or mention.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25359 posts
Posted on 6/27/21 at 7:05 pm to
I've shot a ton of their 55 ball. I've read that it might be a little on the hot side but it's good stuff, and definitely cleaner than most foreign ammo, Geco excluded. Seems like that Razor stuff was ~ $.70/round when ammo was dirt cheap so that's not a bad price in this market.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 8:16 pm to

friend of mine told me the Jews make good ammo.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 8:17 pm to
IMI is just rebranded Israeli military rounds.
This post was edited on 9/10/21 at 5:10 am
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 8:54 pm to
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IMI is just rebranded Israeli military rounds. It's solid stuff. I'd trust Israeli- and Czech-made ammo over any other import stuff in the world.


I'd add Prvi Partizan, which is Serbian, but I don't know about other Serb companies. Geco is also good stuff, it's Swiss.

Worst crap I've ever tried was from Turkey, imported by American Tactical. Dirty as hell, inaccurate and probably averaged a failure to fire every couple of boxes.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 10:23 pm to
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IMI is just rebranded Israeli military rounds. It's solid stuff. I'd trust Israeli- and Czech-made ammo over any other import stuff in the world.


I'd add Prvi Partizan, which is Serbian, but I don't know about other Serb companies. Geco is also good stuff, it's Swiss.

agreed. Some Geco is now Hungarian, since they picked up RWS. Still good stuff.
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Worst crap I've ever tried was from Turkey, imported by American Tactical. Dirty as hell, inaccurate and probably averaged a failure to fire every couple of boxes.

In 556? Do you remember the headstamp?

A few years ago I picked up some Turkish 9mm, Yavex. Hot stuff, but consistent and reliable. I think that was the official military stuff. The company that made it got absorbed by the government, and then handed over to whoever runs Sarsmilaz.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:50 am to
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In 556? Do you remember the headstamp?


I still have a couple of boxes so I checked. Headstamp just says ATI and 09, sealed primers, annealed case. I don't reload so I don't know if the failures are hard primers or primers that are set too far in. I just bought it for cheap range ammo, maybe from SG? Boxes look like this:
Posted by uptowntiger84
uptown
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/28/21 at 6:49 pm to
I'm interested to see if it's a close enough clone to the Black Hills 77gr. Right now Black Hills 77gr is going for $2.50 a round. That's insane. Before the ammo shortage I was getting it for about $1.15 a round.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25359 posts
Posted on 6/28/21 at 7:37 pm to
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I'm interested to see if it's a close enough clone to the Black Hills 77gr. Right now Black Hills 77gr is going for $2.50 a round. That's insane. Before the ammo shortage I was getting it for about $1.15 a round.


Are you shooting the OTM or TMK Black Hill? Terminal ballistics is probably very close to the OTM since that's what the Razor Core is. I doubt it's as consistent as the BH accuracy-wise, but I don't think I'd pay over double for the BH unless I was in a competition.

I've still got a couple hundred rounds of BH 75gr and 77gr, but I think I paid ~.70 per round several years ago. I had no idea it had gotten that high.
Posted by Scoob
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:37 pm to
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In 556? Do you remember the headstamp?


I still have a couple of boxes so I checked. Headstamp just says ATI and 09, sealed primers, annealed case. I don't reload so I don't know if the failures are hard primers or primers that are set too far in. I just bought it for cheap range ammo, maybe from SG?
My uneducated guess is probably hard primers.

My experience with Turkish ammo, as I said, was Yavex (Yavascalar was the parent company at the time, they had a big Turkish website and were apparently the military supplier for ammo). Brass cased 9mm 124gr fmj with green lacquer sealant on the primer. I picked up a couple cases, which was 1450 rds a case, when Bud's put it on clearance a couple years back. Seems people weren't buying an obscure brand.

I wish I had a chronograph, it's consistent and HOT. Got to be pushing +P, although it was listed as NATO spec. Muzzle flash and recoil reminds me more of 40 cal, instead of 9mm. It broke the recoil guiderod assembly on one of my Star BM's, so I only shoot it through a couple heavy-duty pistols with new springs (CZ 75, Sig P226, S&W 5906).
I've seen videos of people shooting it through 4.5" barrels and chrono'ing it, getting a bit over 1200 fps (usually around 1240). In a Scorpion, they were hitting 1340 average. That was the 115 gr (which I also have). They didn't do the 124gr, but that feels hotter.

I figured that the Turks were making ammo "for real", with all the crap going on in their corner of the world, and would have assumed the 5.56 would have been similarly good.
Posted by uptowntiger84
uptown
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:50 pm to
I shoot both but mostly shoot otm. The price has skyrocketed since the 77gr has become so scarce. BH's are so impressive with the consistency. I don't mind going from .6 or .7 groups to 1 or 1.5 groups for practice if it saves me 50%
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25359 posts
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:12 pm to
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I shoot both but mostly shoot otm. The price has skyrocketed since the 77gr has become so scarce. BH's are so impressive with the consistency. I don't mind going from .6 or .7 groups to 1 or 1.5 groups for practice if it saves me 50%


If you're shooting for accuracy and don't care about terminal ballistics check out Geco 55 gr. I don't know if you've ever seen an ammo review by a guy called Molon but he's very thorough and does his tests with a match Krieger barrel. He got MOA or very close to it with their plain 55gr FMJ in .223. The 5.56 was a little faster and less accurate.

I've got a case of the .223 based on his review but haven't shot it with my good barrel yet. Cheap ammo that would approach MOA would be a nice find.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25359 posts
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:14 pm to
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I figured that the Turks were making ammo "for real", with all the crap going on in their corner of the world, and would have assumed the 5.56 would have been similarly good.



They probably do make a good one, but it ain't the stuff ATI imported.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
4065 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:26 pm to
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I doubt it's as consistent as the BH accuracy-wise
It's not far off. It's very good stuff for the price.
Posted by uptowntiger84
uptown
Member since Jul 2011
4407 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:38 pm to
I've heard good things about Geco. But I'm running low on my BH and stopped shooting it. So I'm looking for a cheaper replacement. I ordered some IMI will be here Friday. Can't wait to see how close it is to BH.
Posted by 4Ghost
Member since Sep 2016
8562 posts
Posted on 6/29/21 at 9:10 pm to
Some Baws I know claim Prvi brass is top notch for reloading. I buy it every chance I get and swap my brass to those guys. Works out good for all involved.
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