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re: This run on ammo and guns
Posted on 1/27/21 at 9:53 pm to DarkDrifter
Posted on 1/27/21 at 9:53 pm to DarkDrifter
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What exactly has stopped them from ramping up production the last 4years??
A normal business owner tends realise that if he/she is running at max capacity and still not keeping up you invest in more equipment and product.. It seems like the ammo suppliers haven't done that at the rate they needed to.
Up until Feb 2020, the shelves were stocked full. Why would they make more?
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Posted on 1/27/21 at 9:56 pm to SlidellCajun
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It’s’ the ones that buy what they don’t need like the Karen’s in the Rouses with carts filled with toilet paper Lysol and Clorox wipes like they’re the only ones that matter
Oh, didn't know the pres was talking about outlawing and regulating toilet paper. I'll go get some more.
You don't get it man.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 4:27 am to SlidellCajun
What this all boils down to is peace of mind. What are you willing to pay for it? I mean, I guess we could ration the ammo to make sure everyone gets their fare share..... 
Just be glad that we live in a country that allows us to do this! 
Just be glad that we live in a country that allows us to do this! Posted on 1/28/21 at 5:26 am to civiltiger07
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You can but what does that accomplish other than make yourself feel better about yourself. Because you don’t “panic buy”
Makes me feel a bit better to be able to post on an internet message board about it to let people know how I feel about it. Kinda like you posting on an internet message board to let me know how you feel about me posting about how I feel.
Hoarders are idiots... and suckers...
Ahhh... much better now
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 5:30 am
Posted on 1/28/21 at 5:30 am to SlidellCajun
I can only assume that many of us define “hoarders” differently.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:06 am to SpookeyTiger
Buying three boxes of ammo(once) isn’t my definition of hoarding.
But hey you be you
People I’m referring to buy all they see any time they see it....have 1000s round of ammo they’ll never shoot
That’s who I was referring to.
But hey you be you
People I’m referring to buy all they see any time they see it....have 1000s round of ammo they’ll never shoot
That’s who I was referring to.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 11:10 am
Posted on 1/28/21 at 12:38 pm to DarkDrifter
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What exactly has stopped them from ramping up production the last 4years??
Uncertainty.
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A normal business owner tends realise that if he/she is running at max capacity and still not keeping up you invest in more equipment and product.. It seems like the ammo suppliers haven't done that at the rate they needed to.
A smart business owner knows better than to sink tens- to hundreds- of millions of dollars into capacity into a run that might last a few years. Something you, and those that echo your comments, is that Federal's ammunition equipment is not the upsized stuff a serious high-volume home reloaded would use like smaller companies like Fenix use. The equipment Federal has to purchase is serious industrial slabs of steel with the capability to hammer out billions of rounds, able to fulfill DoD contracts. $13M contract for 192M rounds of Mk311 Mod 3? It would cost them far more than that to purchase dedicated equipment and hire/train employees to run it. Then there's the issue of raw materials which are their own bottlenecks to production and something few companies can control. Maybe you should do some serious research into what goes into one of these operations, maybe you'll figure out the smart business owners are smarter than you.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 1:31 pm to Clames
There's really no reason to be angry at anyone else. "Hoarders", as you call them, would have stocked deep with stuff while they could get it cheap... just like any other bargain hunter. If someone has 10k of 9mm put away, they're not chasing that 11th case priced at $700, if they got the first 10 for $160.
The people scrambling now, are the people who were totally unprepared, and who waited too long, in the process ignoring what was happening around them, and people who might have advised them to act.
When the toilet paper run was going on, you could get 9mm brass for under $200 a case.
In May, you could still get an AR for under $500, and a case of brass 5.56 for under $380; and a case of steel 9mm for under $170.
Last week in May, you could have picked up a case of Speer Gold Dot 124 gr JHP for $400.
As late as July, you could get a case of Tula steel .223 for $250.
End of July, you could get a case of Silver Bear .223, which is nickel-plated steel case, for under $280.
That's pretty late in the timeline for 2020, nobody needed to tell anyone that the whole world was in upheaval.
You could have started from scratch with regards to AR in May, and for under $1k you'd be good for the forseeable future... get your rifle, a few mags (oh BTW the guys selling the Tula for $250 had steel 30 rd mags for $7 apiece), a case of ammo, shoot enough to verify it runs, and set it aside. A couple hundred more for some cheap steel blasting ammo, and you're good for plenty of range time, and as long as you exercise some judgement you probably have enough to see the next election without NEEDING any more ammo. So what if if's not sub MOA accurate... are YOU a sub-MOA shooter? I bet it hits paper at 100m and iron sights. Is it dirty ammo? Take your gun apart and clean it, it's a good idea to do so anyway.
I look around to see if ammo is available and how much, but I don't need anything. I'm just watching the watermarks, at this point.
If I did need something, I wouldn't complain about other guys buying it, because I'd be doing the exact same thing they're doing.
The people scrambling now, are the people who were totally unprepared, and who waited too long, in the process ignoring what was happening around them, and people who might have advised them to act.
When the toilet paper run was going on, you could get 9mm brass for under $200 a case.
In May, you could still get an AR for under $500, and a case of brass 5.56 for under $380; and a case of steel 9mm for under $170.
Last week in May, you could have picked up a case of Speer Gold Dot 124 gr JHP for $400.
As late as July, you could get a case of Tula steel .223 for $250.
End of July, you could get a case of Silver Bear .223, which is nickel-plated steel case, for under $280.
That's pretty late in the timeline for 2020, nobody needed to tell anyone that the whole world was in upheaval.
You could have started from scratch with regards to AR in May, and for under $1k you'd be good for the forseeable future... get your rifle, a few mags (oh BTW the guys selling the Tula for $250 had steel 30 rd mags for $7 apiece), a case of ammo, shoot enough to verify it runs, and set it aside. A couple hundred more for some cheap steel blasting ammo, and you're good for plenty of range time, and as long as you exercise some judgement you probably have enough to see the next election without NEEDING any more ammo. So what if if's not sub MOA accurate... are YOU a sub-MOA shooter? I bet it hits paper at 100m and iron sights. Is it dirty ammo? Take your gun apart and clean it, it's a good idea to do so anyway.
I look around to see if ammo is available and how much, but I don't need anything. I'm just watching the watermarks, at this point.
If I did need something, I wouldn't complain about other guys buying it, because I'd be doing the exact same thing they're doing.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 2:07 pm to Ruxins Rascals
Posted on 1/28/21 at 2:08 pm to Scoob
Some people didn't envision a 3rd world phony election.
There is more panic to come imo
There is more panic to come imo
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 2:25 pm to down time
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This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 2:26 pm to down time
quote:Ammo is ammo, goes bang and sends projectiles down a barrel towards a target.
Some people didn't envision a 3rd world phony election.
There is more panic to come imo
If you feel you may need it, you shouldn't go shooting a bunch of what you have for fun. You should hold on to it, until you feel like things are safe.
From the time the covid lockdowns started, I've never felt like things have relaxed back to a "normal" condition. I used to be an avid shooter, but now when I go to the range, I am shooting something to confirm it works, no more than that. If it's a handgun I shoot it to stay comfortable with it for practical purposes, a couple mags at most. In theory I have .22lr and could burn some of that for fun, but it's never been a big passion of mine with those guns... as fun as they are, I'd much rather shoot my CZ or Sig in 9mm or a 1911 in .45 acp.
Rifles, I can shoot accurately with iron sights, and my ammo is dry and secure. I don't need to burn any more of that until I know I can get more.
What I have now is enough. If online sales are banned, I still anticipate local sales will come down to below what prices are now. If they never do, or if they start banning things entirely,... I know what I have, and I know it will work as needed. I can find a cheaper hobby than what it costs now, and if things become contraband I seriously doubt recreational usage would be wise.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:29 pm to Loup
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I'm not irrational enough to think that citizens could stand a chance against todays military with our AR15s but I still like to have enough ammo to not be picky about what I hunt.
While I agree with you and God help us if something this terrifying would actually come to pass but you do realize it’s much more of a numbers game right?
Total active and reserve military head count is ~ 2 million in a country of 330 million assuming they would all stay and side with the current Authoritarian Government. If 4 million folks show up with AR-15’s things would get very messy. The US military strength is in destroying equipment, tanks, aircraft, etc. door to door combat with locals never goes well for any military.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:32 pm to CheEngineer
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assuming they would all stay and side with the union.
I would be surprised if half stayed on for such a conflict. Now, if other non military folks would join that side I don't know
Posted on 1/29/21 at 12:48 pm to Loup
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I'm not irrational enough to think that citizens could stand a chance against todays military with our AR15s but I still like to have enough ammo to not be picky about what I hunt.
2000 - 4000 or so Iraqi insurgents with nothing more than small arms and improvised explosives, kept 150,000 modern Western military forces, with air supremacy, tied up in Baghdad for almost five years, until the US payed them to stop fighting.
You’re not irrational, you just have no idea what you’re talking about.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 4:24 pm to Philzilla2k
The great equalizers to any modern big military force are urban insurgents and jungle warfare.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 5:14 pm to SlidellCajun
Here are my reasons. Police are hardly making arrests. Crime is spiking. The right to bare arms for my own protection is God given. Not going to depend on the government to do that for me.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 6:00 pm to DarkDrifter
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The ammo manufacturers have to start making more.
That would be a bad move since civilian demand is about to be illegal.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 6:00 pm to Jack Ruby
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he great equalizers to any modern big military force are urban insurgents and jungle warfare
CWII breaks out it would be Afghanistan x1000
Posted on 1/29/21 at 6:20 pm to Loup
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I'm not irrational enough to think that citizens could stand a chance against todays military with our AR15s but I still like to have enough ammo to not be picky about what I hunt.
I'm in the Army, you are too ignorant by half if you imagine we have enough real trigger pullers in uniform to stand against a concerted effort by citizens that are better armed than we are on average. Then there's the numerical advantage.
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