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re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all here
Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:22 pm to Barf
Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:22 pm to Barf
I actually have been avoiding saltwater scenarios so I don't have to gear-up for a whole new deal. I'm such a tard that I would *need* 8-11 weight setups to do it all right.
BTW, why does a *good* rod/reel combo cost $600+? I swear the TFO rods are no different than the Scott/Winston rods...
BTW, why does a *good* rod/reel combo cost $600+? I swear the TFO rods are no different than the Scott/Winston rods...
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 11:25 pm
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:28 pm to bbvdd
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At this point I have in think 18 rods (just fly rods) and reels for each.
I can take solace in the fact that I'm not the biggest OT baller here lol. You have me beat by a mile.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:10 am to stickly
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BTW, why does a *good* rod/reel combo cost $600+? I swear the TFO rods are no different than the Scott/Winston rods...
$600 for a good a reel maybe. There is nothing wrong with TFO rods, the BVK gets a lot of praise. TFO blanks are Chinese, but their customer service might be one of the best in the industry. Someone gave me a couple of TFO rods to try out and I liked the mangrove over the BVK for redfish. It was leaps and bounds better at casting inside 40ft and I could put a lot more pressure on the fish. I don't know, I'm just not on the TFO hype train. For an extra $150 the Orvis Recon is a better rod and it comes in a tube unlike the TFO.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:19 am to Barf
You can buy the Lamson litespeed in 10wt for $420. I don't know much about saltwater fishing but that is a great reel.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:53 am to AubieALUMdvm
Or you could buy a Jack Charlton for $3,000
Posted on 7/10/15 at 9:40 am to stickly
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I swear the TFO rods are no different than the Scott/Winston rods...
My BVK casts better than my friend's Helios 2. A lot of fly fishermen just think that the more expensive something is, the better it is...which is totally false most of the time.
I haven't casted a rod in the same price range that comes close to matching the BVK, Mangrove, or the Axiom, but those three hold their own against a LOT of higher priced rods.
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 7/10/15 at 10:08 am to stickly
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This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 10:18 am
Posted on 7/10/15 at 10:18 am to stickly
TFOs are great and pretty much what I always bought. I usually mostly Orvis gear now, but I only do that because of deals I get on it.
Nice, what areas do you hit up regularly on that side of the mountains?
lol, I strapped a pvc pipe to my BMW GS so that I could get anywhere and park anywhere I want for the same reason. Some of the regulars I see out my way get ticked they walk a ways from where they parked and find me there hanging out by the bike.
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I live outside of Asheville, NC where there are a bunch of great opportunities to fish
Nice, what areas do you hit up regularly on that side of the mountains?
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Oops. Forgot that I traded in my car (BMW 5 series wagon) on an FJ Cruiser so that I could get down the tougher fire roads to hidden spots, so whatever that cost me too. Fly fishing is like golf: You can go crazy and spend tons of $ in no time.
lol, I strapped a pvc pipe to my BMW GS so that I could get anywhere and park anywhere I want for the same reason. Some of the regulars I see out my way get ticked they walk a ways from where they parked and find me there hanging out by the bike.
This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 10:29 am
Posted on 7/10/15 at 11:48 am to bluemoons
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They're not. My BVK casts better than my friend's Helios 2. A lot of fly fishermen just think that the more expensive something is, the better it is...which is totally false most of the time.
I haven't casted a rod in the same price range that comes close to matching the BVK, Mangrove, or the Axiom, but those three hold their own against a LOT of higher priced rods.
TFO rods are Chinese rods. I'm not saying it's a bad rod, It's a fantastic rod for $300. It got a high score but a lot of rods cast great in perfect conditions and on a grassy knoll. The hype train is fun but when shite comes to shite, I've never seen a BVK handle a 25mph head wind or survive a situation where you have to high stick the rod. I have just seen too many redfish turn a BVK into an 8 piece. For fair weather fly fishing in Louisiana, a BVK is hard to beat. I don't know if I could justify the cost of an H2 over the BVK if I only went out when it was nice and sunny with a light breeze at my back. If that were the case I would have a BVK and a Mangrove and all my bases would be covered. Unfortunately they just can't hang when things get rough. If that kind of thing is important to you, cost is no object.
I'm not necessarily knocking the BVK. There is a reason rods like the H2, NRX, and the One exist.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 12:09 pm to Barf
I fish when conditions are "rough" by fly fishing standards more often than not, and I fish much more than most, and that rod has handled absolutely everything I've thrown at it with no problem...including +20kt winds. I've got Wulff Bermuda Triangle on it and it shoots fine with strong headwind and strong tailwind.
I have broken one, but it was my own fault and TFO replaced it no questions asked.
eta: In general - and I say this unapologetically as a fly fisherman - fly fishermen are the mega-snobs of the fishing world. Regardless of everything I just said about the BVK, no amount of high priced equipment in the world is going to make you a good fisherman or an accurate caster.
This isn't directed towards you by any means, or anyone in particular. Just speaking for experience. I think it runs a lot of people away from fly fishing. You can get some really awesome stuff for not a lot of money, and also from experience, a lot of the more expensive stuff is not worth its cost. I have spent a lot of money on reels for my dad for birthdays and Christmas (a particular Abel comes to mind), and they're great reels that live up to both price and name, and he's got some rods that are unbelievable. That being said, just because something is expensive doesn't make it good.
The H2 sucks. If I'm spending that money on a rod, it better be able to bomb, and that stick can't do it. That's a perfect example of a rod not even close to worth its cost. Now the NRX...I want one.
I have broken one, but it was my own fault and TFO replaced it no questions asked.
eta: In general - and I say this unapologetically as a fly fisherman - fly fishermen are the mega-snobs of the fishing world. Regardless of everything I just said about the BVK, no amount of high priced equipment in the world is going to make you a good fisherman or an accurate caster.
This isn't directed towards you by any means, or anyone in particular. Just speaking for experience. I think it runs a lot of people away from fly fishing. You can get some really awesome stuff for not a lot of money, and also from experience, a lot of the more expensive stuff is not worth its cost. I have spent a lot of money on reels for my dad for birthdays and Christmas (a particular Abel comes to mind), and they're great reels that live up to both price and name, and he's got some rods that are unbelievable. That being said, just because something is expensive doesn't make it good.
The H2 sucks. If I'm spending that money on a rod, it better be able to bomb, and that stick can't do it. That's a perfect example of a rod not even close to worth its cost. Now the NRX...I want one.
This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 7/10/15 at 12:50 pm to bluemoons
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The H2 sucks. If I'm spending that money on a rod, it better be able to bomb, and that stick can't do it.
It's not the rod that can't bomb.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 12:54 pm to Barf
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have to high stick the rod
Does this mean the same thing in saltwater as it does in fresh/cold water?
Posted on 7/10/15 at 12:58 pm to AubieALUMdvm
What I would call a high stick in salt water would be turning the rod butt perpendicular to the water while fighting a fish. In a way it's the same as high stick nymphing.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:04 pm to Barf
dude you can hit a golf ball at 90ft with a NRX. That H2 doesn't come close to that type of accuracy at distance. It doesn't make a huge difference to me because I don't cast at distance often, but if you spent that money on a rod, wouldn't you want the best that you could get?
This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 7/10/15 at 2:01 pm to Barf
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I don't know if I could justify the cost of an H2 over the BVK if I only went out when it was nice and sunny with a light breeze at my back. If that were the case I would have a BVK and a Mangrove and all my bases would be covered. Unfortunately they just can't hang when things get rough. If that kind of thing is important to you, cost is no object
If it's that windy I'm whipping out my ole trusty baitcaster and catching some fish.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 2:39 pm to bluemoons
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dude you can hit a golf ball at 90ft with a NRX. That H2 doesn't come close to that type of accuracy at distance.
I am not sure how you came to this conclusion but I, nor anyone I know, have ever had an issue at distance with an Helios 2. I've messed around a little bit with an NRX but I can't comment on it's ability to cast in anything other than perfect conditions. I can lawn cast a cabelas rod 100ft with pretty good results, but that kind of thing simply does not translate well over to fishing conditions.
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If it's that windy I'm whipping out my ole trusty baitcaster and catching some fish.
I don't own any spinning gear or baitcasters, except for a Morrum reel someone gave me that's not on a rod. There have been times where I wish I had something besides a fly rod but only due to cramped quarters, never because of weather.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:54 pm to Barf
Posted on 7/13/15 at 10:18 pm to JumpingTheShark
I don't like them. They get in my way. I use a waist pack that I love. It has a spot for everything that I need.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 9:17 am to bbvdd
I'm looking at going after my first redfish on a fly from my kayak for the second time tomorrow. My first experience was pretty humbling, but I think I'm more prepared now. Weather and tides both look good for tomorrow, but I haven't fished for over a month. Any word on where I should look at going? I'm thinking Cocodrie, but anywhere in inside of 3 hours from BR would be fine.
ETA: and I have a lanyard too. Once I got my waist pack it hasn't gotten any action. It got in the way too much.
ETA: and I have a lanyard too. Once I got my waist pack it hasn't gotten any action. It got in the way too much.
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 9:18 am
Posted on 7/14/15 at 9:23 am to LSUtiger17
If I were you, I would go to Delacroix, put in at Sweetwater, and fish around the graveyard. If you have any spoon flies give em a shot. The fish in Delacroix are there, but really pressured.
I say Delacroix just because of the access to close fishable water you have by kayak.
I say Delacroix just because of the access to close fishable water you have by kayak.
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