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Tell me about thermal scopes
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:02 pm
I have a permit to shoot deer at night and ended up buying a ATN ThOR HD 2.5-25x, 640x480, 50mm.
Seems like a good scope the little I have played around with it. Can easily ID deer at 600 yds. But the more I read about ATN the more nervous I get about it. Seems a lot of people have had bad customer support from ATN.
What are some brands you have personally used and how do they compare. I have about 20 days left to return it for a full refund.
Here is a picture of my dog through the scope. He was only about 20 yards away. And no the scope was not mounted on a gun.
Seems like a good scope the little I have played around with it. Can easily ID deer at 600 yds. But the more I read about ATN the more nervous I get about it. Seems a lot of people have had bad customer support from ATN.
What are some brands you have personally used and how do they compare. I have about 20 days left to return it for a full refund.
Here is a picture of my dog through the scope. He was only about 20 yards away. And no the scope was not mounted on a gun.
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:05 pm to highcotton2
I would say give the trijicon Thermals a shot like the reap-ir.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:10 pm to highcotton2
ATN used to be shite but theyve come a long way. their autogated PVS14s and the THOR/Odin units are quality stuff. FLIR, L3, Trijicon are all nice
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:42 pm to highcotton2
Not to shite on your scope but that is a terrible thermal image for 20 yds. I do a lot of night hog hunting and I have seen night vision scopes with better images at 50-75 yards. That being said for the money Flir thermals are hard to beat, they are rock solid and Flir has been in the thermal game for a long time. Don't know what your budget is but the last one I bought was around $6K out the door, sure you can spend $10k-$12k and get a better image but imo it's not double the price better.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 10:52 pm to highcotton2
that pic doesn't look right. when's the last time you've calibrated it?
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:12 pm to HogsWillRiseAgain
Didn't FLIR just come out with some new ones with smaller better cheaper sensors? I haven't looked much into thermals but remember reading something along those lines.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 11:53 pm to highcotton2
Problem with ATN is that they don't manufacture their IIT's and microbolometers, they buy them from other manufactures and house them.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:22 am to highcotton2
Your dog is either frozen solid or dead...
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:31 am to HogsWillRiseAgain
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Not to shite on your scope but that is a terrible thermal image for 20 yds.
I don't have any attachment to this scope like I said I can still return it. I was just curious if anyone on here had actually used different specific models and how they compared to each other.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:56 am to NOLAGT
Yeah, they just released the Thermosight Pro 223 which is $2,200.00. Most dealers are just getting in their shipments or have already sold out. I'm waiting for Interstate to get their second shipment in for mine.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:18 am to highcotton2
Check out the pulsar line. I have a apex xq50 on order rt now. Ive used the apex xd75a in the past a works great for hog hunting less than 150 yrds. The apex xq50 runs around 2700.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:25 am to highcotton2
More important question is how and why did you get a permit to shoot deer at night? Also can you shoot either sex because other than body size you can't tell the difference in a doe or a buck with thermal. Horns don't show heat unless they are in velvet
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:29 am to HogsWillRiseAgain
Idk one of the videos of the pts233 I saw you could clearly see the rack.
Just because the rack doesn't have as high of a heat signature as the rest of the body does not mean that t becomes invisible.
Thermal works off of contrasting heat signatures so it would require the rack and whatever its background is in front of to have the same heat signature (very unlikely).
Hell you can even see waves rippling in one of the videos I saw
Just because the rack doesn't have as high of a heat signature as the rest of the body does not mean that t becomes invisible.
Thermal works off of contrasting heat signatures so it would require the rack and whatever its background is in front of to have the same heat signature (very unlikely).
Hell you can even see waves rippling in one of the videos I saw
Posted on 11/8/17 at 8:54 am to highcotton2
Why is there not much contrast? I'm assuming you have it as black/hot. Or do you not adjust it that much?
Personally I like my thermals to be white hot if possible....but that's just my preference.
Personally I like my thermals to be white hot if possible....but that's just my preference.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:07 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
Yea it is on black hot in that picture. This scope seems to show deer better at a distance with black hot. What scope do you have?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:15 am to highcotton2
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What scope do you have?
Oh, I don't have one yet. The only thermals I've ever used was on a Bradley. Same but different.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:16 am to highcotton2
Got a buddy that just bought the newest FLIR and loves it. Had some video from his back yard. Looks good, and for the money, was a really good deal.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:34 am to Bolivar Shagnasty
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buddy that just bought the newest FLIR
Thermosight Pro 223?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:36 am to highcotton2
I have a trijicon IR Hunter Mk3 (35mm)
-The image is unmatched to anything else I have looked at, ATN thor, flir etc. There is absolutely no lag in the display and the image is disturbingly vivid.
-Because the controls are standard "scope style" turrets, the unit is very simple to use and I can run the menus and calibrations without coming off the scope.
- This is one of the gripes about the REAP-IR as it has a toggle stick to run the menus and can be cumbersome to toggle with gloves on. I could imagine the same could be said about the push buttons on most other branded thermals.
- The IR Hunter does lack some handy features that a lot of the other brands have, such as internal memory and recording capability (you have to run an external DVR to record)
My brother just ordered a pulsar so I'm excited to look through it and compare. But at the end of the day its apples and oranges because the cheaper units are adding convenient features rather than increasing the processing capacity to provide a better image. Not knocking them by any means because I wish my tijicon had some of those features (especially for what it costs), I just personally wanted the highest quality image available.
i'm running the IR Hunter on an 8" 300blk right now until my 12.5" Grendel barrel comes in
-The image is unmatched to anything else I have looked at, ATN thor, flir etc. There is absolutely no lag in the display and the image is disturbingly vivid.
-Because the controls are standard "scope style" turrets, the unit is very simple to use and I can run the menus and calibrations without coming off the scope.
- This is one of the gripes about the REAP-IR as it has a toggle stick to run the menus and can be cumbersome to toggle with gloves on. I could imagine the same could be said about the push buttons on most other branded thermals.
- The IR Hunter does lack some handy features that a lot of the other brands have, such as internal memory and recording capability (you have to run an external DVR to record)
My brother just ordered a pulsar so I'm excited to look through it and compare. But at the end of the day its apples and oranges because the cheaper units are adding convenient features rather than increasing the processing capacity to provide a better image. Not knocking them by any means because I wish my tijicon had some of those features (especially for what it costs), I just personally wanted the highest quality image available.
i'm running the IR Hunter on an 8" 300blk right now until my 12.5" Grendel barrel comes in
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