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Sig MCX won't eject

Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:34 am
Posted by HairyStamper13
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
407 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:34 am
Bought a new Sig Sauer MCX 300 blackout earlier this month. Finally got to go shoot this past weekend. Bought Federal ammunition (that the fellow at Bowie's recommended) and got 2 out of 20 shells to actually eject. It was crushing the empty casings inside the receiver.

Anyone else have these problems?
Posted by Bigsampson
Fort Worth
Member since Apr 2017
381 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:06 am to
Run it very wet for first 500 rounds or so.
Does it cycle freely by hand?
If so,
Check to see if the gas block is properly aligned and installed.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11894 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:16 am to
What weight ammo are you shooting? Have you tried a variety of supersonics and subsonics?

Sounds to me like the bolt carrier is not building enough speed and inducing the problem. I can't definitively say it's from the ammo but you won't know until you try some different types.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16590 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:34 am to
Picture of the cases would help.

quote:

Run it very wet for first 500 rounds or so.


Don't ever do this with ANY AR-type rifle, or semi-autos in general. An AR will run reliably bone dry if assembled correctly with the right parts, dumping oil on it only masks the problem and can result in catastrophic bolt failure. Take the rifle back to where you got it and let them check it over or send it back to SIG with some of the brass so they can fix it.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5861 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 11:05 am to
Did you play with the gas settings? Idk how many it has.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13540 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 12:23 pm to
Did you get it new or used? What version? Has it had the recall on the bolt done?
Posted by HairyStamper13
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
407 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 1:17 pm to
Thanks fellas. Adjusted the gas and works like a charm.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18911 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

Don't ever do this with ANY AR-type rifle, or semi-autos in general. An AR will run reliably bone dry if assembled correctly with the right parts, dumping oil on it only masks the problem and can result in catastrophic bolt failure.


This is SO wrong. Just so so wrong.

LINK

Don't take my word for it, here is a link from Larry Vickers. Love or hate the guy but he does know some stuff about the AR platform. I also was told (in-person) by Reed Knight, Sr. that the AR platform is best run wet. That guy DEFINITELY knows what he is talking about.

BTW, how the hell would lubrication cause a "catastrophic bolt failure"? I am really curious to hear that one.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66438 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 2:30 pm to
try the other gas setting, should work fine
Posted by CrusaderInfidel
Tishomingo
Member since Feb 2015
248 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 5:55 pm to
Man you are correct; the one thing an AR platform DOESNT like is going dry!!! That’s pure unadulterated phooey. They are designed to be scuba’d up and swam with and the worst environment for them is the sandbox when they overheat with no lube.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16590 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 5:59 pm to
I don't give a sailing shite what you or Vickers thinks. Neither you, him, or Reed Knight have seen the research conducted with instrumented rifles to measure and characterize bolt-face forces while these rifles are firing. The research was conducted specifically to find out what happens when these rifles are over-lubricated and nothing good comes from the practice. It's actually common sense why these rifles (any firarm except some protype Garands actually) aren't supposed to be run wet, that excess oil gets into the chamber, that interferes with how the brass "grips" the chamber as it obdurates during the firing phase. That grip transfers most of the rearward force of the cartridge case to the chamber instead of the bolt-face. Oil away that grip and the bolt goes from seeing somewhat less than 3,000lbf to nearly 6,000lbf. You just explain to me what you think is beneficial about that and how it impacts the fatigue life of the bolt. In combat, a wet rifle with the potential to have a bolt fail is one thing, that extra force allows the rifle to keep cycling even full of grit. Acceptable risk when considering what happens when facing incoming fire and no way to return it. None of you are running these rifles on two-way ranges though, not even Vickers these days. Lubricate according to the -10, there's a good reason why the Army explains exactly how much oil and where.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5861 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 6:06 pm to


I run my AR and AK bone dry and have never seen issues.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16590 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

Man you are correct; the one thing an AR platform DOESNT like is going dry!!! That’s pure unadulterated phooey. They are designed to be scuba’d up and swam with and the worst environment for them is the sandbox when they overheat with no lube.


He's wrong, you're wrong, and every other retard that parrots this "run the AR wet" bullcrap is wrong.

quote:

The case mouth pressure and resulting bolt force were measured for M855 and M855A1 cartridges as a function of the level of lubrication in a modified M16. The research found that the level of lubrication on the ammunition, and specifically the lubrication between the cartridge and the chamber of the weapon, greatly changes the level of force on the bolt face. The average bolt force difference between the conditions of heavy and normal lubrication was found to be 3000 lb. This force has a linear correlation to the pressure of the cartridge case and reaches a peak well before the unlocking of the bolt and projectile exit. The data showed that the effect of lubrication is not dependent on the cartridge type or temperature tested. The bolt forces increased with temperature; however, the increase was due to the associated increase in pressure caused by the elevated temperatures. These results provide direct data on the synergistic relationship between lubrication, cartridge pressure, and the force exerted on the bolt face.


That bold part is the truth. Nothing you or any other AR15.com forum reject is going to change that.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
18283 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 7:11 pm to
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
6907 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:00 pm to
quote:

This is SO wrong. Just so so wrong. LINK Don't take my word for it, here is a link from Larry Vickers. Love or hate the guy but he does know some stuff about the AR platform. I also was told (in-person) by Reed Knight, Sr. that the AR platform is best run wet. That guy DEFINITELY knows what he is talking about. BTW, how the hell would lubrication cause a "catastrophic bolt failure"? I am really curious to hear that one.


Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18911 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:08 pm to
That's some mighty big words. Now show me some links to some science supporting your position.

You know what really lessens the forces on that bolt face? When the rifle won't fire because it is dry and locked up with a malfunction. I have (had) 20 years carrying and shooting the platform with no clue how many rounds fired and no clue how many millions rounds fired by guys on either side of me. Seen some broken bolt lugs and some other odd failures but never this catastrophic bolt failure of which you speak and we ran out weapons WET.

And arguing that Vickers and Reed Knight haven't "seen the research" is a big fricking leap. Especially Knight, you do realize those guys are on the very edge of small arms development?
Posted by Bigsampson
Fort Worth
Member since Apr 2017
381 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:18 pm to
Ridiculous.
My ARs shoot thousands of rounds a year in competition. Very harsh environments. Know countless numbers of 2 gunners and 3 gunners at the local and national level. Almost everybody runs them wet. Have one custom gun that prob has 10k rounds through it. Besides a few sets of rings, only failure is a firing pin tip.
Running it wet for the first 500 rounds or so will help it break in.
Besides that, there are thousands of people that shoot these guns thousands of rounds a year that pretty much know what they are doing. They all run them wet. Some more so than others.
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 8:28 pm
Posted by Bigsampson
Fort Worth
Member since Apr 2017
381 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 8:38 pm to
"specifically the lubrication between the cartridge and the chamber of the weapon, greatly changes the level of force on the bolt face. "

Ig nert. If you are running an ar though strings of fire, there will be NO excess lube in the chamber. The bolt and assiciated parts will retain lube, but after two or three shots the chamber would be too hot to retain any lube. Wet means the fire control parts, the bolt and other friction creating surfaces. You don't know what you are talking about.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16590 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:17 pm to
quote:

My ARs shoot thousands of rounds a year in competition. Very harsh environments. Know countless numbers of 2 gunners and 3 gunners at the local and national level.


And there are countless numbers than run their guns with only the amount of oil needed and zero problems.

quote:

Besides a few sets of rings, only failure is a firing pin tip.


Yeah, rings do suffer more when the bolt is being hit with a few thousand more pounds of force than it needs. Firing pin tips and extractors suffer because the brass case head and primer can be extruded back into those respective areas of the bolt face.

quote:

Running it wet for the first 500 rounds or so will help it break in.


Complete horsecrap. The bolt-carrier is hard chrome plated where the gas rings slide, they aren't "breaking in". Not a damned car engine with cast iron bore on cast iron piston rings and pressure fed, hydrostatic lubrication. Whatever oil left in there is blown out by the 2300 - 2600 psi of propellant gas flowing into that space and the little residue left behind just catches carbon. The only areas that are going to burnish in a little are between the bolt carrier rails and the upper receiver and that happens well before 500 rounds and soaking those areas in oil doesn't help. Breaking in, you just post up some data showing changes in the velocity of the BCG before and after this break in period because I have a hard time believing any human being possesses the awareness to detect changes measured in milliseconds...

quote:

Besides that, there are thousands of people that shoot these guns thousands of rounds a year that pretty much know what they are doing. They all run them wet. Some more so than others.


No shite, thousands of people bought off on bad advice and practices handed out by drill sergeants for decades to basic training recruits. I quite remember entering the firing line and having the DS hose down my rifle with a spray bottle full of CLP (that bottle somehow never appeared when the rifles needed cleaning). When I ran the ranges in the years after, no spray bottles of CLP. Rifles had a few drops on the rails put on them before the racks were loaded into the vehicles, that was it, and they ran. Some of those rifles would have over a thousand rounds put through them by the time everyone had qualified and the SPENDEX was over. No malfunctions caused by anything other than operator error at times. Civilians have choked down bad advice because they heard it from some grunt who heard it from his drill who heard it from the drill before him. Just because thousands of idiots are doing something wrong doesn't mean the empirical data is thrown out.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16590 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

Ig nert. If you are running an ar though strings of fire, there will be NO excess lube in the chamber. The bolt and assiciated parts will retain lube, but after two or three shots the chamber would be too hot to retain any lube. Wet means the fire control parts, the bolt and other friction creating surfaces. You don't know what you are talking about.


Hey retard, oil still gets slung around inside that receiver and it still gets transferred to the chamber, either directly or by getting onto the top rounds in the magazine as the BCG cycles. CLP, and other similar oils, are synthetic based and don't "burn off" in the chamber. A chamber hot enough to burn that kind of oil is hot enough to cook off a chambered round. I know a HELL of a lot more than you do about these rifles.
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