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re: Sig MCX won't eject
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:25 pm to Clames
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:25 pm to Clames
What data? You haven't shown anything.
What civilians, I spent 23 years in the military and have shot even more after I got out in two gun and three gun comps. You sound like a mil or Leo snob.
In 8 years the only failure I've seen in an ar is a bolt shear at the pin and a few firing pin tips.
Having a gun well lubricated is like every other machine. It runs smoother and better.
What civilians, I spent 23 years in the military and have shot even more after I got out in two gun and three gun comps. You sound like a mil or Leo snob.
In 8 years the only failure I've seen in an ar is a bolt shear at the pin and a few firing pin tips.
Having a gun well lubricated is like every other machine. It runs smoother and better.
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Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:26 pm to Clames
You are nuts
". I know a HELL of a lot more than you do about these rifles."
In your dreams
". I know a HELL of a lot more than you do about these rifles."
In your dreams
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:44 pm to Bigsampson
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And there are countless numbers than run their guns with only the amount of oil needed and zero problems. "
Yea, range heroes like you that shoot one round every 5 mins.
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"Yeah, rings do suffer more when the bolt is being hit with a few thousand more pounds of force than it needs. "
More stupidity. Rings last for 2000 to 3000 rounds. But I guess being an ar snob you would know that. Only a real goofball would think that good lubrication on the rings are a bad thing.
"Firing pin tips and extractors suffer because the brass case head and primer can be extruded back into those respective areas of the bolt face. "
One in 10k rounds. Wow
"Complete horsecrap. The bolt-carrier is hard chrome plated where the gas rings slide, they aren't "breaking in". "
Who said anything about breaking in the rings. They should be pretty close to tolerance at installation. The entire working unit breaks in, like any other machine. Some need more, some, less, some none.
When I ran the ranges in the years after, no spray bottles of CLP.
Oh, I see one of "those Range Officers". Hahahah. Telling everybody how they should shoot, but can't do it themselves.
A shooting bench ranger. That explains it all.
Shire, the gun will "function" with a few drops of lube. But, if you run it, it need lubrication.
And there are countless numbers than run their guns with only the amount of oil needed and zero problems. "
Yea, range heroes like you that shoot one round every 5 mins.
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"Yeah, rings do suffer more when the bolt is being hit with a few thousand more pounds of force than it needs. "
More stupidity. Rings last for 2000 to 3000 rounds. But I guess being an ar snob you would know that. Only a real goofball would think that good lubrication on the rings are a bad thing.
"Firing pin tips and extractors suffer because the brass case head and primer can be extruded back into those respective areas of the bolt face. "
One in 10k rounds. Wow
"Complete horsecrap. The bolt-carrier is hard chrome plated where the gas rings slide, they aren't "breaking in". "
Who said anything about breaking in the rings. They should be pretty close to tolerance at installation. The entire working unit breaks in, like any other machine. Some need more, some, less, some none.
When I ran the ranges in the years after, no spray bottles of CLP.
Oh, I see one of "those Range Officers". Hahahah. Telling everybody how they should shoot, but can't do it themselves.
A shooting bench ranger. That explains it all.
Shire, the gun will "function" with a few drops of lube. But, if you run it, it need lubrication.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:47 pm to jbgleason
Now show me some links to some science supporting your position.
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You just show me a rifle that malfunctions when it's lubed according to the TM. Doesn't. Fricking. Happen. I've got 20 years in too and know for a fact that M4's and 249's have had issues with joes slinging CLP in them. The Army put out guidance years ago after looking in to the problem, which was just a repeat of guidance TCES issued about too much lubrication in these weapons. Unless you are, literally, crawling around in the sandbox with these rifles, you don't need to run them wet. Going to the range, shooting in controlled environments...just wasting oil and putting more wear and tear on the rifle for no benefit.
Because they aren't on the cutting edge. They get the benefit of testing done by those on the cutting edge. They get what comes out of Aberdeen.
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When the rifle won't fire because it is dry and locked up with a malfunction. I have (had) 20 years carrying and shooting the platform with no clue how many rounds fired and no clue how many millions rounds fired by guys on either side of me. Seen some broken bolt lugs and some other odd failures but never this catastrophic bolt failure of which you speak and we ran out weapons WET.
You just show me a rifle that malfunctions when it's lubed according to the TM. Doesn't. Fricking. Happen. I've got 20 years in too and know for a fact that M4's and 249's have had issues with joes slinging CLP in them. The Army put out guidance years ago after looking in to the problem, which was just a repeat of guidance TCES issued about too much lubrication in these weapons. Unless you are, literally, crawling around in the sandbox with these rifles, you don't need to run them wet. Going to the range, shooting in controlled environments...just wasting oil and putting more wear and tear on the rifle for no benefit.
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And arguing that Vickers and Reed Knight haven't "seen the research" is a big fricking leap. Especially Knight, you do realize those guys are on the very edge of small arms development?
Because they aren't on the cutting edge. They get the benefit of testing done by those on the cutting edge. They get what comes out of Aberdeen.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:52 pm to Bigsampson
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What data? You haven't shown anything.
You can go to the link and login, if you don't have the credentials then you are kind of SOL.
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What civilians, I spent 23 years in the military and have shot even more after I got out in two gun and three gun comps. You sound like a mil or Leo snob.
You sound like someone who has labored under the same shite advise then. I'm just months short of 20 years, I'll do a bit more than 23, and it won't change a damned fact that soaking the BCG in an AR is bad advice.
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Having a gun well lubricated is like every other machine. It runs smoother and better.
Well lubricated is in the TM. Over-lubricated is a problem. Too much oil in your truck, a problem. Too much oil in a hydraulic system, a problem. There is a fine line between "proper", and what you suggest.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:56 pm to Clames
You run yours the way you want. I'll keep doing what works.
Have fun running the range.
Have fun running the range.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 9:57 pm to Bigsampson
I've been doing what works. You have fun wasting your time, money, and living with your ignorance... 
Posted on 10/23/17 at 10:00 pm to Clames
Typical rear echelon range retard.
Those that can do.
Those that can't teach.
Those that can't do or teach run the firing range and finish 20 years as a range officer. Hahahaha
Those that can do.
Those that can't teach.
Those that can't do or teach run the firing range and finish 20 years as a range officer. Hahahaha
This post was edited on 10/23/17 at 10:05 pm
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