re: Shot my first Glock

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I have never seen a handgun discharge all by itself. I have seen a wide variety of handguns (manufactured with & without external safeties) go "bang" when the person holding firearm had no plan to do so. In all of those cases, the shooter pulled the trigger.

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And that right there is the perfect definition of a negligent discharge.

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Glock + 1911

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Why don't you believe in internal safeties? The H&K action is one that goes well the concept of internal safety since the hammer is 'down' when the gun is cocked. It's got a striker inside that's preloaded and cocked, but without the trigger being pulled COMPLETELY, it has to be released, there is an internal safety that doesn't allow firing.

I can have the striker cocked, just a loaded ready to fire gun, and depress the trigger enough to have my thumb have access to the bobbed hammer. I can then pull the hammer back and drop it onto the firing pin as hard as I want and the gun will not fire. The trigger actually has to go through its release point for the gun to fire. That IS an internal safety.

No, I haven't tried it - but it's my understanding that that's how it works.

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The trigger actually has to go through its release point for the gun to fire. That IS an internal safety.

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Here's the problem. A safety prevents the gun from firing when the trigger is pulled. What you're calling an internal safety is simply a device that prevents the gun from being unreasonably dangerous in the eyes of a court.

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There are internal safeties and there are external safeties. Proclaiming "external safeties" to be redundant doesn't make that valid or true.

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They do different things. They are not the same at all. There is no such thing as an internal safety. There is no such thing as an external safety. There are safeties, which prevent the gun from firing....pay attention...no matter what. Then there are gun features developed to stay one step ahead of the lawyers, or in response to an arse whooping in court. These internal things are the latter. If you can fire the gun by pulling the trigger, the gun either has no safety, or the safety is not engaged.

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For people with IQ's in excess of 90, their trigger finger, used in concert with their brain, is their best, most effective safety.

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This is fricking stupid and irresponsible. You really should not be around guns. You do this stupid shite all the time. Do you really want to compare brainpains?

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Those with IQ's below that level should probably not be allowed to possess firearms unless under the direct supervision of an experienced adult.

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True, and from your postings, it would appear you are in that group.

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Anyone who has to rely on an external safety as his only means of avoiding doing stupid and/or dangerous with a gun, shouldn't be allowed to hold a gun in his hands.

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Totally agree. it's really a shame that a person who posts only on guns knows so little about them and can't comprehend unanticipated misuse.

I guess if I had ever handled something with a slim grip I'd get the fat grip comments, but until then, I don't.

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They do different things. They are not the same at all. There is no such thing as an internal safety. There is no such thing as an external safety. There are safeties, which prevent the gun from firing....pay attention...no matter what. Then there are gun features developed to stay one step ahead of the lawyers, or in response to an arse whooping in court. These internal things are the latter. If you can fire the gun by pulling the trigger, the gun either has no safety, or the safety is not engaged.

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This is the great thing about 'merica. People like you, who truly know nothing about handguns except what you've read on the interwebz, can post asinine stuff like this.

However, there seems to be little or no correlation between what you think is true, and what is factual.

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This is fricking stupid and irresponsible. You really should not be around guns. You do this stupid shite all the time.

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Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment.

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it's really a shame that a person who posts only on guns knows so little about them and can't comprehend unanticipated misuse.

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I can comprehend unanticipated misuse of cars and trucks -- like when some drunk or doper gets behind the wheel and steers into oncoming traffic. This doesn;t make the safety features on the vehicle non-existent, or make the vehicle inherently dangerous (unless a shyster layyer manages to sign up a client who was injusred by said drunk//doper)

No offense, but again, your ignorance of handguns is fairly monumental. You're the guy who posted that he finally, for the first time, shot a Glock (that belongs to someone else). And now you're suddenly the guru of Glocks and the proper design of self defense handguns. Now you get to define what is, and what isn't a safety.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but you seem to think shooting a total of three handguns in your life, and using a BBQ grill as a target, justifies anointing yourself as "a natural." And you think this somehow qualifies you to redefine handgun terminology that's been in use since before you were born.

Maybe you need to spend more time actually shooting guns, spend less time arguing about things you know nothing about, and spend less time touting what you think is some high level of expertise about handguns.

If you really want to learn something about SD handguns, I'll be glad to put you in touch with some bona fide gurus who can give you an objective evaluation of your knowledge and skills.

Tom Givens will be in BR in December conducting a two day defensive handgun class. Just say the word and I'll pay your tuition. Afterwards we can post an AAR.