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re: Shot a stud at last light....Pics in OP

Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:27 am to
Posted by Outdoorreb
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:27 am to
Oh really? I have seen duck dogs not trail a double lung shot deer that I could see with my own eyes. She just had no care for deer blood, but they can trail a duck.

What’s the difference? Only thing I can think of is that they weren’t trained to trail deer blood.

Now I have seen some dogs that can do both, also.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:55 am to
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Only thing I can think of is that they weren’t trained to trail deer blood.


A dog shouldn't need training for that.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:57 am to
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I have a German Shepherd that I know will find them.

I can throw a rock in the thickest cutover and the dude will come back with it. Might take him 15 minutes but he will find it.


When I was younger, we had a Boykin that could do the same thing. I'd take a rock from my grandparents driveway, throw it on to the rockpile they used to refresh it, and she'd find the same rock and bring it back. Had I not seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it.
Posted by Jack Daniel
In the bottle
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:16 am to
If you think an untrained dog should be able to decipher the difference between a wounded deer trail and other fresh deer trail AND only follow the wounded deer trail, you’re an idiot.

How does the untrained dog know you only want it to follow the wounded deer trail?
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 10:19 am
Posted by Jack Daniel
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:18 am to
Because he’s finding the only rock in the thicket with YOUR sent on it. A wounded deer isn’t the only deer in the woods
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:28 am to
The point is that there is a difference between a “blood trailing dog” and a dog that will follow blood/deer scent.

Same way there is a difference between a “duck dog” and a dog that will go retrieve a tennis ball when you throw it across the yard.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7806 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:38 am to
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If you think an untrained dog should be able to decipher the difference between a wounded deer trail and other fresh deer trail AND only follow the wounded deer trail, you’re an idiot.

How does the untrained dog know you only want it to follow the wounded deer trail?



Yes Im an idiot. Millions of years of evolution and a dog doesnt know the difference between a wounded deer vs an unwounded deer.That is pure lunacy.

When you shoot a deer it dumps a ton of pheromones and they follow that deer without a single drop of blood on the ground. A scared deer thats isnt shot will not dump the same scent. Thats how the dog knows. Any dog with a prey drive will automatically track those pheromones because like a wolf and coyote they will look for the easy kill.

Dont get me wrong, you can train any dog to blood track but the truth is a dog shouldnt need training for that because its built in their DNA.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 10:56 am to
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Because he’s finding the only rock in the thicket with YOUR sent on it. A wounded deer isn’t the only deer in the woods


Yes its my scent. He will retrieve anything I throw. Maybe I got lucky and got a good dog.

I went squirrel hunting behind my house. Shot one and saw it fall. I go to the tree and cant find it. I go get my dog and tell him to find the squirrel. He goes to a tree 25yds away and starts pawing it at. Sure enough the squirrel was dead at the base of that tree.

I shot 2 deer this year. A doe in the morning and a 7pt that evening exactly in the same spot. Each blood trail going in opposite directions. Brought him to track both and he found them flawlessly. Both had blood trails and my dog has never been on a blood trail or a tracking job in his life.

Explain to me why when I took him to the spot I killed the doe that morning and told him to find that deer, how did he know when he has never heard the word deer before? Why did he take off down the blood trail without ever following a blood trail before. Surely he should have gone in the opposite direction following a live deer but he didnt.

That afternoon with a blood trail from the doe going one way and the buck going the other he was smelling both. going in a circle. I had him sit and told him to find the deer. He took off and found the buck. It comes natural to a dog.
Posted by way_south
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:26 am to
Dogs are amazing, the deer you tracked had different smells and he knows the difference. He also tracked the fresher trail. My dog can trail any scent, I introduce the smell I want him to track, and he's off to the races.
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2567 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:42 am to
Like I said following blood doesn’t mean blood dog. Y’all’s dogs didn’t know what they were following, they were just following blood. I could see if you took your dogs to the skinning rack and let them eat/see/taste the deer.

More then likely any deer that would have jumped up in the woods the dog would have took off after it. Or a squirrel for that matter. Just how a beagle that’s not trained properly will start trailing a deer when he was trained to only run rabbits.

The difference is a blood dog knows to follow deer blood not and/or deer scents or squirrel blood or any other blood. It’s deer blood that’s his job could be 30 minutes old or 20 hours old.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7806 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:43 am to
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Dogs are amazing, the deer you tracked had different smells and he knows the difference.


The trail to my stand crosses a small creek and the hogs wallow in it. He smelled those hogs on the way back from the deer and knew exactly which way they went because he took off in the woods after I took his lead rope off. Those hogs passed there either the night before or days before he went and he could still tell where they went. He hit every single deer trail on the way back to the car and there is no doubt if I let him he would lead me straight to a live a deer. He can smell every single animal that walked in the woods. I call him back and he comes.

I saw it mentioned earlier that some people dont like leaving scent looking for an animal. A dog knows the difference between a human and a deer. It wont confuse them. It also wont bother the deer like people think. You can get 10 people to walk around in the woods and still kill a deer in that spot that afternoon. Animals dont know time but they know if a scent is fresh or not.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7806 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:50 am to
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Like I said following blood doesn’t mean blood dog. Y’all’s dogs didn’t know what they were following, they were just following blood. I could see if you took your dogs to the skinning rack and let them eat/see/taste the deer.

More then likely any deer that would have jumped up in the woods the dog would have took off after it. Or a squirrel for that matter. Just how a beagle that’s not trained properly will start trailing a deer when he was trained to only run rabbits.

The difference is a blood dog knows to follow deer blood not and/or deer scents or squirrel blood or any other blood. It’s deer blood that’s his job could be 30 minutes old or 20 hours old.


Dogs dont follow or track blood. They follow the animal that left a blood trail. Otherwise the dog would never find a deer that didnt bleed. The blood drips or squirts off the fur. That fur has scent particles and pheromones that the dog follows.

Yes, my dog might more than likely would run after after a live deer, rabbit, squirrel if it crossed his path but thats why he is on a 20-30ft leash. All I would have to do is start him over and tell to find the deer and he would.
Posted by Dylan
Bayou Barbary
Member since May 2009
3414 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:23 pm to
Lol I never claimed I have a pro blood dog. I have a bad arse HRCH young duck dog that’s found 3 deer in the past 2 weeks so Is just realizing what a deer is. He’s not even 2 yet. So the fact that I brought him out on a trail with 0 blood at all 2 weeks after he’s ever even seen a deer, I kind of set him up to fail. The blood dogs that have found like 50 deer already this year ran past him too. The handler and me walked up on the deer and he couldn’t explain it either. So many deer are bedded close and in and out of there it’s easy for a dog to get on the trail of a alive stinky rutting buck. It also didn’t help I put my dog in on the wrong side of the thicket and repeatedly kept sending him in it and calling him back when he’d loop back to the plot where I shot him. So I didn’t exactly give him time to sort things out because I knew I was going to look the next day anyway.

With all that said I’m heading home to powpow’s Christmas party with a big buck for the wall bc I waited and didn’t push him or look more then 40 yds after I shot which some criticized me for and will be going to shoot ducks and specks next week with my crappy dog.

This forum used to be the best and filled with good camp atmosphere jokes and stories. Now it’s getting to be about like the OT filled with know it all’s thinking they’re funny trolling Internet forums all night. If anyone wants to see pics post an email and I’ll send them and y’all can post them. Other then that creep and find me on FB or Instagram, shouldn’t be too hard with my extremely cryptic and anonymous user name.
Posted by Outdoorreb
Member since Oct 2019
2567 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:23 pm to
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Dogs dont follow or track blood. They follow the animal that left a blood trail.


That makes no sense to me.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:46 pm to
I got the best tracking dog in the state



They're tracking the deer and dont need blood or even any injury at all to trail it. A liver shot or serious wound will obviously leave some different scents that the dog can pick up to know its tracking a cripple. Mine knows as soon as he smells the track whether the deer is down or not. It's awesome to watch.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96109 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:51 pm to
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If you think an untrained dog should be able to decipher the difference between a wounded deer trail and other fresh deer trail AND only follow the wounded deer trail, you’re an idiot.

How does the untrained dog know you only want it to follow the wounded deer trail?
We never actually trained our catahoula.

But we always gave her scraps whenever we cleaned any deer. So I guess the first trail we ever brought her on she assumed the only way she was getting a scrap was if the deer was dead
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 1:53 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 2:00 pm to
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How does the untrained dog know you only want it to follow the wounded deer trail?


It doesnt, but any dog on earth can smell a gut shot deer and most dogs are inclined to follow stinky things.

Where you run into problems is when they jump a fresh deer and want to chase it, or get scared being in the woods alone, or are too stupid to not get lost, etc.

Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6854 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 2:01 pm to
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saintsfan1977


^^^ Badass mothafricka here. Best shooter with the best dog in all the land.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
14078 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 2:17 pm to
Did your dog tell you all this? Are you a scientist or just a bullshitter?

And to the OP, 'not the buck I thought'...yeah, that's called ground shrinkage. You dudes are entertaining at least.
This post was edited on 12/20/19 at 2:19 pm
Posted by Dylan
Bayou Barbary
Member since May 2009
3414 posts
Posted on 12/20/19 at 2:27 pm to
Post your email I’ll send pics. I’d shoot this buck any day any time of the season. 5.5 year old tank. Like I said OT culture is at full swing on the OB now, I wouldn’t be shoulder mounting this deer if it had ground shrinkage.
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