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Posted on 1/20/21 at 9:21 am
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19436 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 9:21 am
Is there much difference in the cost of reloading ammo vs purchasing it?
Posted by The Nino
Member since Jan 2010
21521 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 9:25 am to
I’ve heard primers are nearly impossible to find right now
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14030 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 9:30 am to
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primers are impossible to find


FIFY

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Is there much difference in the cost of reloading ammo vs purchasing it?


The old saying is that you end up shooting more which has held true for me. That really only applies to pistol ammo. Last time I calculated what it cost per 9mm round I was around $7/50 rounds.

Now rifle ammo is different because I am reloading my ammo to be accurate in my rifle. So the cost isn't the benefit of reloading rifle ammo the group size is.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 9:31 am
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1723 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 9:39 am to
Not about cost savings for me. It’s the ability to shoot what I want and how I want. But compared to prices these days, cost savings is significant bc I have the brass I need and a good supply of primers for all my calibers
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 9:40 am
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24977 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 11:06 am to
Under normal times, no. Not that much of a difference.
I don't remember exactly what it normally cost but let's see:
Pistol:
primers .03
bullets .20
powder ~.08

brass is free for me as I pick it up at my range

Rifle 5.56 is pretty close but bullets are slightly more expensive and powder will be more as you're using more.

Precision - all bets are off. Not concerned with price on that.

ETA: Right now, you can't find primers unless you're willing to pay $100+ for 1000.
Powder is about impossible
Bullets are a little easier
Brass is hard as not as many are shooting now.

Dies, presses, etc are hard to find as well.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 11:08 am
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
8736 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 11:27 am to
Here's a price breakdown based on the 30-06 shooting a 165 gr bullet. The numbers below are using averages and current prices are all over the place. Chances are everything is SOLD OUT right now due to the buying frenzy. With a little research, you can do the math to confirm prices based on the cartridges you shoot.

Federal Premium $39.99 / 20 rds. = $2.00 per round

- Powder ; 1 pound is approx. $30.00 (+/- $5.00)
- Primers are approximately $30.00 for 1000 (+/- $5.00)
- Brass is around $30.00 for 50 pcs. (.60 each)
- Bullets vary in price from .35 cents to .75 cents each; let's use the average of .55 cents each.
- Powder charge, approximately 55.0 grs per reloaded round.
- There are 7,000 grains in 1# of powder. At 55.0 grs per charge, you will get roughly 127 reloaded rds.

Using the calculator below and the aforementioned numbers, reloading will cost you $1.40 per round.
Depending on the cartridge you will save $$$$. Also brass will last from 10 firings to 40 firings before the primer pockets expand and can no longer be used. So the first reloaded round with virgin brass will cost $1.40, the additional reloaded rounds using fired brass will cost .80 cents each (subtract .60 cents for the brass)

100 rds of factory Federal Premium 165 gr = $199.95 (5 x $39.99)
100 rds reloading your own = $92.00 ... $28.00 (20 rds using new brass) + $64.00 (80 rds using already fired brass)

Reloading Calculator

I reload because I can make my own cartridges and fine tune powder charge, seating depth, and neck tension to increase accuracy and adjust velocity up/down. With factory ammo, you're pretty much stuck at a given velocity such as 2,750 fps.


I reload for my .17 Ackley Hornet and use 11.5 grs of Vihtavuori N120 under a 20 gr bullet that yields 3,900 fps. I can reload 608 rounds from 1 pound of powder.
Posted by mfiredog
Stonewall
Member since Oct 2016
679 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 12:33 pm to
17 AI hornet. Now that’s a cool
Caliber.

I enjoy the Ackley reloading.
6.5-06 AI is what I have. Make most of mine from 270, 25-06
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 12:55 pm to
I remember reading somewhere that the break even was like 30 or 40k rounds for your common pistol calibers. But that was in a different world where 9mm wasn't 60 cents a round.

I'd definitely do it just for a hobby if I had the space to devote to it.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1723 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 12:57 pm to
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hobby

I have too many hobbies but reloading is top 3.
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
8736 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:28 pm to
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I enjoy the Ackley reloading.

Huge Ackley fan and one of my friends and reloading mentors (RIP brother ) worked for P.O. and Mike Bellm in the late 70's / early 80's. I've owned quite a few Ackley cartridges also: .17 Ack Hornet, .22-250 Ack Imp, .257 Ack Imp, and .280 Ack Imp. Incredibly efficient and accurate cartridges. 2 months of coyote furs harvested by my late friend ... all shot with a .17 caliber wildcat

Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19436 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:35 pm to
Thanks everyone for the information.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14030 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

I remember reading somewhere that the break even was like 30 or 40k rounds for your common pistol calibers.


Obviously this depends on what kind of press you buy. I started and still use a Lee Pro 1000 for reloading my pistol calibers. If I remember right the press kit was around $180, and that was everything I needed. What I figured was after 1000 rounds I would have paid for the press.

ETA: or it might have been 2000 rounds. Hell I don’t remember this was 12 years ago.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 1:48 pm
Posted by mfiredog
Stonewall
Member since Oct 2016
679 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 3:13 pm to
I would have Loved to sit and pick his brain!
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7698 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 3:19 pm to
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or it might have been 2000 rounds. Hell I don’t remember this was 12 years ago.


You must have put out a few 100k with that machine.

I just do single stage. I probably have $1500 with my whole setup but it's just a hobby. When 8 get home I'll probably load some up for my rifle and shoot a few.
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
878 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 3:24 pm to
Got Blaze, Good breakdown and factual
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
878 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 3:27 pm to
I agree with CivilTiger, making your own just adds a pride and good feeling, loading for accuracy is why I do it.
Right now, unless you already have powder, primers and bullets on hand, there isn’t much to be found and the prices are like loaded ammo, way above what used to considered normal. When prices are normal, it’s hard to load handgun ammo as cheap as you could buy it.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10174 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 6:03 pm to
Even when there was a supply of ammo it was still hard to find sometimes. The best advantage of reloading is always having ammo readily available. Reloading name brand bullets like Nosler or Barnes is cheaper than you can buy them. For a deer hunter it may not be the most important thing but you can dial in accuracy.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16560 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

Is there much difference in the cost of reloading ammo vs purchasing it?


Short answer is no. I got into reloading because I bought an M1 Garand and commercially available ammo that was safe for it was few and far between. I can reload for every cartridge I can shoot now and it has never been about saving money as much as the fun in making my own ammo. Now it's also a hedge against ammo shortages, I bought so much stuff when it was cheap and available I can make as much as I can want. Even .50 AE, I have enough Starline brass, powder, bullets, and primers to make 500 rounds of the stuff
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6812 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 7:51 pm to
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worked for P.O. and Mike Bellm

You don't see much on the 'net about Mike Bellm, but he's also a pretty good 'smith, especially w/ T/C Contenders. I have a Contender barrel he chambered for me in the late 90's. It's in 6x50R (rimmed) Bellm. It's one of the most accurate barrels i've owned. It's very interesting how he came up w/ it. He has a niche for utilizing common, inexpensive dies instead of custom, expensive dies. The weakest part of the 6x50 was brass as it's based on improved version of the 5.56x50R, a common European varmint round. It has a little more powder capacity than the 223/5.56x45. Unfortunately, no one in the US makes brass for the 5.56x50R. It's an Ackley Improved cartridge w/ minimal body taper, sharp shoulder and rather short neck. 6mmx223 Improved TCU dies are used to size it and seat bullets. A bored out 357 Mag die sizes the bottom area of the brass that the TCU die can't reach. In a 14" handgun barrel I get about 2800 fps w/ a 75 gr bullet. Sorry to go on, but I'd not thought of MB in a while. My only actual Ackley gun is an Encore 15" barrel in 22-250 AI. Most of my Contender barrels are based off the Ackley principles. I bet I would've had a good time visiting w/ your mentor.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6812 posts
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:05 pm to
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Is there much difference in the cost of reloading ammo vs purchasing it?


Depends on what you're loading, how much you shoot, etc. I did a cost breakdown on my 223 Rem load in July '20 using Lapua 223 brass (shot 20 times), 40 gr Varmageddon bullets, CFE 223 powder and Remington 7 1/2 primers. I didn't factor in the expense my 35 year old press and scale or 30 year old dies. My price at the time was $0.24 apiece.

When I started handloading I wanted to save money on handgun ammo. Now it's evolved into a part of my hunting and shooting identity. I can't remember the last time I shot a factory round on a varmint/deer hunt. In addition, almost none of my rounds are loaded by the factory, e.g. 22 Rem BR, 6 Rem BR, 25 Rem BR, 20 Practical and the newest build, 20 VarTarg. My observation is people usually start handloading to save money, but end up spending just as much but shooting MUCH more. Handloading gives me something to do during the winter as I prepare for spring/summer prairie dog hunts. For example, shortly I'm going to deprive #200 brass for the 22 Nosler.
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