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Random MS river question

Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:16 pm
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1746 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:16 pm
So if the corps let the river divert back to its proper course, would the beaches of Pass Christian to Biloxi turn more like Destin with blue green water? What would happen to Lake Pontchartrain? Never really thought about it but I am sure some of you baws have the answer.
Posted by LSUengr
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
2558 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 10:00 pm to
Do you mean let it flow down the Atchafalaya where it naturally wants to go? Besides all the port issues in NO and Baton Rouge, drinking water would become a major concern for any city getting water from the river. Salt water would overwhelming those systems. Water clarity would improve in MS, but I doubt to a Destin level. More in line with Orange Beach type clarity.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15738 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:02 am to
Not sure but I believe coastal erosion would be a thing of the past if old muddy was allowed to meander like it did for thousand of years before we built levees to control it.
Posted by iwantacooler
Pig Nose Feet
Member since Aug 2017
2686 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:14 am to
quote:

would the beaches of Pass Christian to Biloxi turn more like Destin with blue green water?


I’m not sure, but doubtful with the Pearl, wolf, Jourdan, Biloxi, Pascagoula, and Alabama rivers emptying nearby.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
15655 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:26 am to
quote:

Salt water would overwhelming those systems.



Would salt water push all the way up to where the river splits off to the Atchafalaya? I remember reading somewhere that the bed of the river is below sea level all the way up to Natchez or vicksburg.
Posted by LSUengr
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
2558 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:53 am to
Its all speculation until it actually happens. If it happened, a shoal would likely form downstream of the junction that would raise the bed of the river. It has been silting in already, which is why in 2011 the river level was higher at Morganza than the old flow triggers would have indicated. The La Water Resources Research Institute did a paper in September 1980 named "If the Old River Control Structure Fails?". It goes through a scenario of the structure failing and the impacts. It says saltwater wedge up past at least Donaldsonville.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
21802 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 7:15 am to
quote:

So if the corps let the river divert back to its proper course

The river left unmanaged had an ever changing course from the MS delta south. So, not sure how you'd define its proper course. But, the flood damage and challenge for commercial navigation would be a disaster.

My guess to the beaches would be like those above would be no to your question. And, it may even make the beach line worse if left unmanaged. Interesting question though, I'd never thought about it either.

My AI research assistant attributes the difference between LA and MS beaches compared to FL and AL gulf coast beaches to a variety of geological and human related activities:
quote:

Sand quality: Florida and Alabama beaches often have finer, whiter sand due to their geological composition affecting sediment sources and coastal processes.

Water clarity: The waters off the Florida Gulf coast are typically clearer and have better water quality than those near the Mississippi River delta region, which can experience more turbidity and discoloration.

Development: Florida and Alabama have invested more heavily in beach tourism infrastructure, resulting in more amenities and attractions.

Coastal geography: Florida's and Alabama's coastlines have more barrier islands and peninsulas, creating more sheltered beach areas.

Environmental factors: Louisiana and Mississippi coasts are more affected by outflow from the Mississippi River, which can impact water quality and clarity.


This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 7:17 am
Posted by terriblegreen
Souf Badden Rewage
Member since Aug 2011
11902 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:06 am to
You'd only be moving the discharge from NOLA to Morgan City. I don't think that would affect the clarity of the Miss Gulf coast very much.
Posted by Rarnette
Member since Jul 2016
79 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:45 am to
There would be a pretty substantial effect as long as the Pearl isn’t flooding. Look what happened on the MS coast last year during the drought. They were catching snapper off jetties down there. Salinity and water clarity greatly improved. He’ll last year when the Mississippi basically stopped flowing there were days I could see the bottom in 8’ of water in Terrebonne bay. But when the pearls up sever degradation in clarity. I have seen nasty water at Appomattox. Never under estimate the influence of the Mississippi.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
19146 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:49 am to
quote:

Pearl, wolf, Jourdan, Biloxi, Pascagoula, and Alabama rivers emptying nearby.


Yep. The Mississippi has little to do with water clarity on the Mississippi coast. Levees keep the river trapped until it gets much further south.





Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
61846 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:09 am to
In Vicksburg, Ms, most of the information for the Mississippi River, is at the COE site.
Years ago they had a working model of the Mississippi River. They would dump water into the model, then figure out how to handle the flood gates.

Now everything is worked on the computer.
Posted by saintkenn
Saintkenn
Member since Nov 2012
1255 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:13 pm to
The MS River Basin Model is in Clinton, its pretty impressive when visiting it in person. Its about 200 acres in size and tons and tons of concrete. WWII German POW's even had a hand in constructing it. Its mostly grown up now, but the wife and I went out there a few months ago and walked around it. I would have loved to seen it in its heyday and actually working
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
4003 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:35 pm to
Speaking of port issues, 92% of US agricultural exports come out of the Mississippi. Any long term port issues would be disastrous.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6093 posts
Posted on 7/24/24 at 6:46 pm to
fun fact, MS beach are man made.
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