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Jambalaya 1
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
If it's such a good deal and environmentally friendly. Why aren't they building it in Australia. These 25 jobs will have a high turnover rate, who wants to wear a respirator 10 hours a day? I love fishing in North Pass with my wife. I just hate to see a good thing become threatened.


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GREENHEAD22
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
Definitely do.


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I B Freeman
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
Get real people. Those discharge amounts are NOTHING. Very small and not dangerous.


GFunk
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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I B Freeman


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Get real people. Those discharge amounts are NOTHING. Very small and not dangerous.


So I’m guessing you’ve seen the Environmental Impact Study? H&H analysis done? Is there anything you aren’t an expert at?


I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
I know less than a ton of hydrochloric acid per year is NOTHING in an amount of water it is going in.

I know the 40,000 gallon waste water is nothing if the DEQ standards apply--we have good DEQ water standards in Louisiana. If they have approved 40000 gallon a day I am not concerned.

Now if you want to discuss the mere existence of the political boondoggle Port Manchac I will be happy to tell you it is exactly that--a political boondoggle.

I would MUCH rather this plant with the discharge amounts described in the article to say a marina for bubba to launch his boat and spill gasoline and oil every day. I would prefer this plant to a old camps with questionable septic systems but since we already have that I guess we will have to live with it. (Should we fine camp owners every time those septic tanks flood and all that raw sewage goes into the swamp?? Oh, I forgot, so long as it is camp owning voters their impact on the swamp doesn't matter.)

I would prefer this plant and the discharges described to the activities presently conducted at the Port as far as that goes. It is hilarious to read about the guy's comments in the article about stored chemicals when on any given day that port has 8 or 10 tank cars of all kinds of petroleum and chemical compounds parked on the rail siding. Most of those tank cars can store like 180,000 pounds of material so 10 tank cars would be like 1.8 million pounds of product.

I know graphite is naturally occurring material--a form of coal that represents very little environmental danger.

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Is there anything you aren’t an expert at?



Many things but for the most part when I post on a subject I do know something about the issue and certainly have a much better capacity for critical thinking than folks like you.
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GFunk
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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...when on any given day that port has 8 or 10 tank cars of all kinds of petroleum and chemical compounds parked on the rail siding.


None of which is being discharged directly into local estuaries. Merely parked beside it.

Marinas and camps you mention are hypotheticals. Existing marinas and camps being a negative have nothing to do with a plant that we are discussing . One that intends to discharge thousands of gallons of high salinity water into an existing estuaries.

They are not mutually exclusive.

But it is cute the way you create a bunch of straw man arguments that no one is arguing-with you or anyone else-and act as if these points support you.

As I said...have you reviewed any Environmental Impact Studies, Envrionmental Assessments or any H&H Studies? By the metric shite ton of dust-that has nothing to do with the plant or it’s environmental impact-you threw into the air while resorting to ad hominem attacks to anyone who questions your opinions or asks you to clarify your statements, you haven’t and you won’t bother.

Some of us see you for the dilletente you are.



I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
Oh you are full of crap GFunk.

The "straw men" you refer too are real examples of activities already present in the basin and none of you holier than thou blow hards have complained a time that I see.

The discharge is minuscule and obviously within the boundaries the DEQ sets and you don't know enough to dispute that.



GFunk
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
Like I said...you haven’t seen anything, you can’t comment authoritatively and the crap you brought up has nothing to do with the OP...and when called on it you resorted to name calling and bringing examples up that have nothing to do with the plant and it’s potential environmental impact.

If you haven’t seen it then admit it and don’t talk in absolutes. Especially with someone who won’t let you change the subject or wander off on tangents, Sweety;-)


I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
Do you know anything about this besides what is written in the article?

I do not but I know from the information given there is nothing environmentalist should be worried about given the activities going on there they remain silent about.

Everything I have posted concerns the OP and the reactionary comments to the facts in the OP.

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GFunk
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
I asked you a question you failed-and have repetitively failed-to answer...because answering it would confirm you don’t know what you’re talking about.

You read an article and decided you knew everything there was to know. Then made up a bunch of shite about camps and marinas that nobody was talking about that nobody disagreed with and then attacked me personally.

Even now you’re labeling people with terms like, “environmentalist.” Still with the ad hominem. LOL

You. Don’t. Know. shite.

S. T. F. U.

Merry Crimmus!


CypressTrout10
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
Because everyone ALWAYS gives out all of the information of what’s really gonna happen.


tenfoe
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
Be leery of the shite you read from those environmentalists groups. People that recite their positions as fact often end up being proven wrong and looking like idiots.


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I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
Everybody that applies for a DEQ permit should have the right information.

This thread and GFunk's crazy reaction are indicative of the shortsightedness and hypocrisy of many people today. I doubt any have ever applied for or managed a Louisiana DEQ waste water discharge permit. They sure have big mouths and spout feel good rhetoric while they flush their own sewage into the swamp from the camps they own. They talk about stored chemical being a danger and have ignored the literally millions of pounds of stored chemicals that have been at Port Manchac for years in existing businesses and rail tank cars.

If you want to eliminate the Port and the government around it I am all for it but a thinking person would much prefer an entity described in the OP for the empty buildings there than most other businesses.
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tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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GFunk


How many ldeq permit applications have you applied for? How many industrial facilities have you permitted, or inspected? How familiar are you with LPDES standards?

Do you have experience with these types of projects, or do you just share Facebook posts with emotional attachment like a subdivision woman?


GFunk
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Member since Feb 2011
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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tenfoe
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...or do you just share Facebook posts with emotional attachment like a subdivision woman?


When did I do that? Are you confused? Do you need to re-read the thread? I’ve asked one person here about their reaction. To which they had and continue to have no response.

I haven’t judged, only asked if he’d seen the information...to which he isn’t responding.

Beyond that, I’d ask you to kindly get a clue since you’ve obviously lost the plot.
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GFunk
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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Everybody that applies for a DEQ permit should have the right information.

This thread and GFunk's crazy reaction are indicative of the shortsightedness and hypocrisy of many people today. I doubt any have ever applied for or managed a Louisiana DEQ waste water discharge permit. They sure have big mouths and spout feel good rhetoric while they flush their own sewage into the swamp from the camps they own. They talk about stored chemical being a danger and have ignored the literally millions of pounds of stored chemicals that have been at Port Manchac for years in existing businesses and rail tank cars.

If you want to eliminate the Port and the government around it I am all for it but a thinking person would much prefer an entity described in the OP for the empty buildings there than most other businesses.
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I B Freeman


You are such a one trick pony. My “reaction,” was to ask you what you knew of this proposal and the science and data behind it.

Your reaction to my very simple question has to been to double and triple down on the only act and response you have to anyone who has the temerity and audacity to question you about the absolutes you speak with regarding any subject here. Which is to say you refuse to answer their question, label them and attack them and their response as unreasonable and irrational while completely avoiding the very simple questions posed to you.

You try your best to attack the person and create arguments no one is making-or disagreeing with-and now in this response ascribe activity and behavior you have no way of knowing is even true (I don’t own a Camp there and never have, to respond to your wild, baseless accusation) in the desperate hope that the person you’re attacking and-literally-making shite up about takes the bait and chases you down that silly path to flail at windmills you’re trying to build.

Instead, I’ll ask again: have you seen or been made aware of any of the science or data behind the proposal?

I keep asking and yet you refuse to answer what’s a very simple, basic question. While you keep failing-over and over and over again-to simply engage people and inform them regarding your level of experience. You call them crazy, make up shite about marinas and camps that have nothing to do with the proposal up for discussion and that no one is disagreeing or complaining rightly or wrongly about, and try to characterize me as an, “environmentalist,” while trying to say I own a Camp and am polluting myself.

None of which is true or has anything to do with my question. Which I’ll ask again...

Have you seen any of the scientific data or deliverables associated with the proposal you speak in absolute terms about? Can you answer a question without trying to attack or label or denigrate me?

On another note, how annoying must it feel for you to run across someone who won’t take your bait and run away with you on your petty, meaningless tangents? You keep spending all this energy trying to make shite up about me or some point I’m not arguing or some motive I don’t have. When all I’ve done is ask you a question.

You are so funny when you just have to keep trying your same act without any ability to defend yourself. It’s truly humorous.

I’ll keep repeating myself until you answer my question, IB. Regardless of what you make up or prattle on about...LOL...
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Mark Makers
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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freshwater diversions for Maurepas swamp back around '02


Funny this was brought up in this thread...

My thought process is:

We are promoting freshwater diversion projects from the Mississippi River into the Maurepas Swamp and into the coastal marsh. The Mississippi River is lined with much larger and worse facilities than the one being proposed here. Is there any concern with the chemicals along that river ending up in the swamp?

But everyone is bent out of shape over this one small facility in Manchac.

Feel free to call me an idiot and explain to me why the two scenarios don't compare, i'm always down to be educated on something. But as of now, I'm having trouble seeing the big issue with his facility being built. It just sounds like a bunch of people being paranoid over something small to me, but I haven't done much reading on this other than a few news articles and forum posts.


DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
Good, maybe the salt water will kill all the god damned water hyacinth


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upgrayedd
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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The water released will have salt concentration 3x that of ocean water.

There's no way any regulatory agency would allow that.


HotKoolaid
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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But as of now, I'm having trouble seeing the big issue with his facility being built


Why does it need to be a big issue? Nobody wants a dusty plant discharging polluted water into the swamp, why is not that enough? This whole thing is backwards. People do not need to come up with reasons why the plant shouldn't be built. It should be the other way around.



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