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Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
779 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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A storm water pollution Plan is not even provided in the application


As others have said, this is not required to be submitted to the agency, only kept on site for inspection. Is also not required to be developed until after chemicals arrive on-site, after commissioning of the plant, and/or after an official LPDES has been approved.


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Citica8
LSU Fan
Gonzales, LA
Member since Dec 2012
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
You’re barking up the wrong tree trying to convince those in here with your arguments. You continue to give unproven statements or emotional pleas, which come off very ignorant.

Not one person in here has said “Build the plant”, yet you’re acting like we are. Have some faith in the system, the government is very much ahead of the curve in regards to environmental impacts than China and India or whatever other polluted manufacturing country you’re trying to compare us to. Facebook is probably a better place to pull on the heart strings of the ill-informed.


tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
4572 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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Facebook is probably a better place to pull on the heart strings of the ill-informed.



he posts environmentalist meme's on pinterest


Nawlens Gator
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louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
3318 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
Here's the thing. There are many people around this area who do not want a Graphite plant in the middle of Manchac on North Pass. These people include commercial/recreational fishermen, camp owners, Professors, licensed engineers, environmental organizations, and just concerned citizens. We don't really need people explaining how ignorant we are and how we should just accept this plant being given permits by the DEQ. What we need are ideas on how to stop this thing in it's tracks. All you environmental permit geniuses need to provide ideas on how to defeat this whole permit thing.

We don't want 8% salt water in the middle of a fresh water estuary, or 37 tons/year of air borne graphite covering the marsh. And these releases will only increase going forward. Not many around here trust the DEQ to provide the resources to monitor this pollution.


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jimbeam
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University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
If the plant's licensed engineers are able to find a way to get their discharge in regulation, this permit thing has a good chance of going through.


Nawlens Gator
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louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac

So what if licensed environmental engineers for the opposing groups find errors in the permit application that dispute the company's findings and formally submit these errors to the DEQ? Has the DEQ ever rejected an application after a public review like this?



tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
4572 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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All you environmental permit geniuses need to provide ideas on how to defeat this whole permit thing.


My rate is $185/hr. Call me.


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Citica8
LSU Fan
Gonzales, LA
Member since Dec 2012
3096 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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We don't really need people explaining how ignorant we are and how we should just accept this plant being given permits by the DEQ
You can oppose it, no one is telling you to accept it.

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We don't want 8% salt water
They won't be permitted to release 8% saltwater

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fresh water estuary
Estuaries, by definition, can't be freshwater.

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37 tons/year of air borne graphite covering the marsh.
Again, won't be permitted to release 37 tons of graphite to the air.

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these releases will only increase going forward
No they won't, certainly not permitted.

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Not many around here trust the DEQ to provide the resources to monitor this pollution?
What about State Police? EPA? NOAA? Don't trust any of them?

The plant is required to monitor its own pollution as part of its license to operate, I don't know the specifics of all that goes into it, so I won't pretend like I do, but falsifying pollution numbers and effluent discharge,or failure to report permit violations is a sure fire way to get the operation shut down and/or potential jail time for those in positions of power.


JAB528
LSU Fan
The Mexican Ocean
Member since Jun 2012
15548 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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They won't be permitted to release 8% saltwater


Wait someone thinks a plant will be able to discharge 8% saltwater? Jesus that’s enough internet for them. This isn’t the Wild West, you can’t just discharge whatever the hell you want.


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jimbeam
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University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
The company will reapply if they are fixable


Tenfoe- damn son


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Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
779 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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All you environmental permit geniuses need to provide ideas on how to defeat this whole permit thing. 


Some of us are not in the defeating permits business, we are in the make permits obtainable under the constraints of existing regulations and providing operational flexibility... business...
I see some minor fixable issues with the air permit application, but have not even glanced at the LPDES app.
Look, I agree with you, the location of choice is not ideal, but I'm also not one to run around claiming death to the region if this becomes operational.


Nawlens Gator
Florida Fan
louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
3318 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac

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Some of us are not in the defeating permits business, we are in the make permits obtainable under the constraints of existing regulations and providing operational flexibility... business


OK, That's obvious. This company's permit needs to be defeated and we are looking for ways.

This plant in the midst of the Maurepas Swamp is not a good environmental concept. We need to defeat this permit.



Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
779 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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permit needs to be defeated and we are looking for ways.


Contact these guys, though it's likely they already know about it.

LEAN

I'll give you one thing I noticed and it's not in the permit application. They applied for and were approved for the exact facility in the neighboring parish then closed the project without ever breaking ground.
In a recent meeting I had with LDEQ air permits administrator he specifically asked with new construction that we include an explanation as to why we chose the proposed site for the project and what other sites were considered. I didn't see that requested language in the air permit app, maybe I missed it, but its worth looking into, especially with them shutting down the other project.


Mark Makers
LSU Fan
Livingston Parish
Member since Jul 2015
1632 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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This company's permit needs to be defeated and we are looking for ways.


I think you mean to say "WANT". I have not seen a single reason for why this permit NEEDS to be defeated besides you and a couple of your good ol baw neighbors making mountains out of a molehills.


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tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
4572 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
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We need to defeat this permit.


This is easy. Here's a step-by-step:

1) Gather all those in opposition to plant;
2) Pool together everyone's savings, to equal the expected profit of the facility for lets say, the next 30 years;
3) Give money to graphite folk to keep them from building facility;
4) Wait in peace until the next facility comes to build on the site, start back at 1.



Citica8
LSU Fan
Gonzales, LA
Member since Dec 2012
3096 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
He’s either the kind of fella that would drive a Honda Ridgeline, or he stands to lose something financially by this plant happening.


tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
4572 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
I think he's just honestly ignorant about industrial processes. This has caused irrational fears of rivers of toxic wastes and black clouds, when in fact he's likely living or working near something far more environmentally damaging already.


jimbeam
USA Fan
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
46236 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
But muh permit thing


Nawlens Gator
Florida Fan
louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
3318 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac

OK I'll bite. The company's air permit application (AI 209281) states their stack emissions will amount to 37.5 tons/yr of particulate matter. Half will be PM2.5 and the other half PM10. The concentration of PM2.5 leaving their stack calculates to 12,240 micrograms/cubic meter. That's over 300 times the WHO & IARC upper recommended limits. PM2.5 is a group 1 carcinogen and recent tests in Europe (over 300,000 people) concluded cancer rates increased 36% for every increase of 10 in the PM concentration. The dirtiest smog levels in China cities have reached concentrations of 900.

That many tons (37.5) of graphite raining down on the Manchac marsh seems like a lot. You would think the DEQ would not grant such a permit, but apparently this company had one approved in St. John Parish.

Maybe we can change the Manchac name to 'Black Bottom'.





bootlegger
Southeastern LA Fan
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
3685 posts

re: Proposed Graphite Plant for Port Manchac
The Port Commission has terminated the lease agreement with the plant.
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