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re: Planned freshwater diversions will doom LA salt fishing
Posted on 3/28/13 at 8:41 am to diplip
Posted on 3/28/13 at 8:41 am to diplip
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I know the fishing is world class, i go as often as possible, but please tell me you don't think that those trout are any different and that comment was a bit tongue in cheek...
Of course not, I was being sarcastic, maybe I should have added one of these
. My comment was more about how the trout thrive there with the river that they are so against pumping into other bodies of water, not because of some sub species bull crap.
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Posted on 3/28/13 at 8:46 am to Scrowe
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Of course not, I was being sarcastic, maybe I should have added one of these .
thought so- my sarc meter has not recieved its caffine yet...
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My comment was more about how the trout thrive there with the river that they are so against pumping into other bodies of water, not because of some sub species bull crap.
Could not agree more!
Posted on 3/28/13 at 9:05 am to diplip
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thought so- my sarc meter has not recieved its caffine yet...
I hear ya, it's still early
Posted on 3/28/13 at 9:44 am to Deege
Unsure of why Nola.com/Todd mason and wwl/Dubuc are giving these guys air time. I hope it's just an effort to stir up shite for no reason rather than two professional journalists actually believing anything RnR personnel spout off.
Blows mind that the local, national, and international scientific community all in agreement on the benefits is not enough for some the the charter guides (note I say SOME because there are a lot of great guides out there who are on board with diversions such as Lambert and many others). It seems to mainly be the east of the river folks who reject reality.
Blows mind that the local, national, and international scientific community all in agreement on the benefits is not enough for some the the charter guides (note I say SOME because there are a lot of great guides out there who are on board with diversions such as Lambert and many others). It seems to mainly be the east of the river folks who reject reality.
Posted on 3/28/13 at 9:59 am to man in the stadium
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Blows mind that the local, national, and international scientific community all in agreement on the benefits is not enough for some the the charter guides (note I say SOME because there are a lot of great guides out there who are on board with diversions such as Lambert and many others). It seems to mainly be the east of the river folks who reject reality.
Yep. But there are a few dissenters out there, the vocal minority, (Dr. Eugene Turner for example), and a few other scientist who have gotten iffy stuff published, and the results take on a life of their own...
This post was edited on 3/28/13 at 10:00 am
Posted on 3/28/13 at 10:08 am to man in the stadium
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Blows mind that the local, national, and international scientific community all in agreement on the benefits is not enough for some the the charter guides (note I say SOME because there are a lot of great guides out there who are on board with diversions such as Lambert and many others).
I agree. A lot of time, money, and research was spent on the Master Plan. Many of the people who put that together are the best in the business at what they do. However, one of the biggest weaknesses currently is public outreach and education. Here's a quote from earlier in the thread:
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quote from Ricks "Last night I was invited to the CCA meeting at the Dock in Slidell, and was surprised at the great turnout. I was honored they let me speak and let people know what is going on with the Diversion issues. What amazed me, was that of almost 100 people, only one person was aware of the Master Plan for Coastal Restoration and what it's going to do!!
Unfortunately, I believe that quote to be accurate. I am familiar with the Master Plan, as are a lot on this board. But the general public is not. I encourage my friends, family, and fishing buddies to check it out, but most people don't want to spend the time, or simply don't understand it. The average resident doesn't know about it or understand it, and unfortunately many sportsmen fall into that category. Then, you get the vocal minority speaking out against it, and people will buy into what they're saying.
Posted on 3/28/13 at 10:22 am to Woody
So let's familiarize folks with The Coastal Master Plan.
Master Plan
You'll note that dredging and placement of dredged materials are part of the Master Plan, as well as sediment depositing diversions, along with many other components. This is a long range plan, while Capt Ricks, Capt Donewar, and Mike Lane are seemingly looking only at short term affects.
Master Plan
You'll note that dredging and placement of dredged materials are part of the Master Plan, as well as sediment depositing diversions, along with many other components. This is a long range plan, while Capt Ricks, Capt Donewar, and Mike Lane are seemingly looking only at short term affects.
Posted on 3/28/13 at 10:47 am to Fishhead
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Lane and Ricks would prefer to see neither. "They're talking about putting in a big diversion at Violet," Ricks said. "If they do that, you can kiss Lake Borgne and Bay Eloi goodbye. "Dredging is the only solution to saving the coast. There's not a whole lot else you can do."
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"Down in Venice, the fish are used to it. It's a constant situation that's been going on for hundreds of years," Ricks said. "Our fish just leave. It's not worth hurting our fisheries for whatever good (the diversion) is doing."
The above two quotes are from the nola.com article . In their minds they are right and everyone else is wrong. Mike Lane's latest "report" on RnR is calling someone out, betting, and even includes childish name calling through a country song's lyrics.
Posted on 3/28/13 at 10:54 am to StinkBait72
I'll say this on Mike Lane's last post. (and did say as much on RNR)
I think it's stupid to think there's something wrong with Mike Lane making money off of charter captains. He doesn't "take money" from them, he offers them a platform to advertise their businesses, and charges them to do so. Whether Oneofthepack is paid to write, I dunno. I doubt it. If he is, so what? People like Oneofthepack's posts. They're ridiculously silly, contain horrible grammar, horrific spelling errors, but damnit, they're funny and endearing. If I owned a site and someone was such a popular poster that folks came to my site just to read his stuff, I wouldn't be against paying him...just to keep him writing, and subsequently bringing people to my site.
But I disagree with them on this anti diversion issue.
I think it's stupid to think there's something wrong with Mike Lane making money off of charter captains. He doesn't "take money" from them, he offers them a platform to advertise their businesses, and charges them to do so. Whether Oneofthepack is paid to write, I dunno. I doubt it. If he is, so what? People like Oneofthepack's posts. They're ridiculously silly, contain horrible grammar, horrific spelling errors, but damnit, they're funny and endearing. If I owned a site and someone was such a popular poster that folks came to my site just to read his stuff, I wouldn't be against paying him...just to keep him writing, and subsequently bringing people to my site.
But I disagree with them on this anti diversion issue.
Posted on 3/28/13 at 10:55 am to StinkBait72
quote:He has got to be one of the dumbest people that is allowed to speak about the topic alive.
Down in Venice, the fish are used to it. It's a constant situation that's been going on for hundreds of years," Ricks said. "Our fish just leave. It's not worth hurting our fisheries for whatever good (the diversion) is doing."
I am gonna sign up this afternoon just to troll him
Posted on 3/28/13 at 11:05 am to Fishhead
Yeah i don't see any issue with him paying anyone to post. It's no different then captains pushing certain gear due to sponsor-ships.
ETA: He may be hurting the cause more then helping with post like his previous one. Setting the record straight is fine, but he comes off as immature in the way he addressed it.
ETA: He may be hurting the cause more then helping with post like his previous one. Setting the record straight is fine, but he comes off as immature in the way he addressed it.
This post was edited on 3/28/13 at 11:08 am
Posted on 3/28/13 at 11:16 am to Hammertime
They're so emotional about the issue they aren't even thinking. Mike Lane told me yesterday on the phone he "eats and breathes this shyt", but that he doesn't "sleep it, because I keep waking up thinking about it". I told him that was part of the problem. They're so obsessed with their side of it being right, they fail to allow other viewpoints enter the discussion.
There is no "sign up" for RNR. You just have to come up with a name, or use your own, and enter your email addy, where you're from, and post. They'll determine if it makes the board, although considering what I posted yesterday, everything makes it...just may not stay up for long. He deleted all my posts until we talked, then never put my original posts back up, which pisses me off. I didn't post anything out of line...I simply tried to get Capt Ricks to answer some questions. Capt Ricks now responds to everyone BUT me.
There is no "sign up" for RNR. You just have to come up with a name, or use your own, and enter your email addy, where you're from, and post. They'll determine if it makes the board, although considering what I posted yesterday, everything makes it...just may not stay up for long. He deleted all my posts until we talked, then never put my original posts back up, which pisses me off. I didn't post anything out of line...I simply tried to get Capt Ricks to answer some questions. Capt Ricks now responds to everyone BUT me.
Posted on 3/28/13 at 11:17 am to StinkBait72
quote:I tried to tell him that yesterday, and he simply doesn't give a shyt what people think about him. That's Mike Lane.
He may be hurting the cause more then helping with post like his previous one. Setting the record straight is fine, but he comes off as immature in the way he addressed it.
If I agreed with them, I'd be more persistent about trying to get him to tone it down. Since I don't, I'll let him shoot himself in the foot. Capt Ricks is even causing more harm.
This post was edited on 3/28/13 at 11:19 am
Posted on 3/28/13 at 11:22 am to Fishhead
Posted on 3/28/13 at 11:26 am to Deege
Damn this thing took off, will have to catch up later. Headed to ole Roys to see how my custom knife is coming along and get him to sharpen my others. If anyone is around downtown Covington and want to get a beer let me know.
Posted on 3/28/13 at 11:30 am to Deege
When the article starts with the following, it makes it difficult to trust.
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We are still collecting a lot of fairly reliable anecdotal data indicating that a range of salt-tolerant fish species were once more common in the delta.
This post was edited on 3/28/13 at 11:30 am
Posted on 3/28/13 at 11:40 am to Fishhead
quote:Sounds eerily similar to bible thumpers. There is absolutely no way you will be able to convince them that they might not be right.
They're so emotional about the issue they aren't even thinking. Mike Lane told me yesterday on the phone he "eats and breathes this shyt", but that he doesn't "sleep it, because I keep waking up thinking about it". I told him that was part of the problem. They're so obsessed with their side of it being right, they fail to allow other viewpoints enter the discussion.
Posted on 3/28/13 at 11:41 am to Deege
Deege, I could be wrong, but it looks like you are confused about the purpose of the plan. I can tell you it isn't about the population of speckled trout. It's about saving the coast. If the speckled trout population is first and foremost in your mind, than you probably need to side with Lane and Ricks. If saving the coast is first and foremost in your mind, you probably need to side with the Coastal Master Plan.
Posted on 3/28/13 at 11:44 am to Fishhead
And by saying the population of speckled trout isn't the purpose of the Coastal Master Plan, I am NOT saying it will damage the population. It may MOVE it, but it isn't going to destroy it. As stated earlier, I should NOT be catching 23" trout in a foot of water literally FEET from Reggio Marina. That's not how it's supposed to be. The very pond I was fishing the other day, I can't even paddle my canoe around without hitting stump after stump. You know why the stumps are there and the trees aren't? SALTWATER killed the trees, and brought speckled trout in with it. The trees were there because it was a FRESHWATER area not so long ago...brackish with a S or E wind. It was never supposed to be a saltwater fishery.
Posted on 3/28/13 at 11:46 am to Fishhead
And no, Katrina didn't kill the trees with it's surge. I've been fishing that area for 30 years, and the trees were gone before I started fishing it. But the stumps serve as evidence that it is supposed to be freshwater. This is the EXACT same area Capt Ricks is claiming to be "catching 30 lb blue cats where we should be catching trout". Wrong. We're catching trout where we should be catching 30 lb blue cats!
Not to mention if the sucker wouldn't soak dead shrimp, he could catch nice trout like I do on top waters. :)
Not to mention if the sucker wouldn't soak dead shrimp, he could catch nice trout like I do on top waters. :)
This post was edited on 3/28/13 at 11:48 am
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