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Pistol brace/AR
Posted on 7/31/22 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 7/31/22 at 9:53 pm
Where are we at on the pistol brace issue? I've seen the point system sheets but is that in effect now? All these articles mention August, 2022 as a "final action date". I was about to put together an AR9 but am wondering if i just need to SBR the thing now.
I've never SBR'd anything - do you start that process at the store or on the Eforms site on your own? I've done an eform4 for suppressor - do they use the digital finger prints from that?
I've never SBR'd anything - do you start that process at the store or on the Eforms site on your own? I've done an eform4 for suppressor - do they use the digital finger prints from that?
This post was edited on 7/31/22 at 9:56 pm
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Posted on 7/31/22 at 10:06 pm to EsquireReb
They can't prove you have an AR pistol with a brace (or any other accessories) without also admitting to illegally keeping records of the purchase to begin with.
This post was edited on 7/31/22 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 8/1/22 at 7:28 pm to EsquireReb
This is another reason I don’t keep any of my ARs put together. I store them separately in different safes. My lowers are in one with ammo and shotguns and my uppers are in another safe with room so the scopes don’t get knocked around. If they come to take my guns they will only get my lowers that are serialized. I have my 80% in a completely different location.
Posted on 8/1/22 at 7:55 pm to Lsudx256
Now they know your plan.
Posted on 8/1/22 at 10:03 pm to Lsudx256
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My lowers are in one with ammo and shotguns and my uppers are in another safe with room so the scopes don’t get knocked around. If they come to take my guns they will only get my lowers that are serialized.
i know they're gonna ask where the uppers are.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 8:26 am to Lsudx256
“ If they come to take my guns they will only get my lowers that are serialized.”
So, if the come to TAKE your guns, you think they’re coming with a “Please and May I” warrant and will just walk away without forcibly opening your other safes?
If it gets that bad in our jurisprudence, I hope you’re not just standing on the sidelines when it all kicks off.
So, if the come to TAKE your guns, you think they’re coming with a “Please and May I” warrant and will just walk away without forcibly opening your other safes?
If it gets that bad in our jurisprudence, I hope you’re not just standing on the sidelines when it all kicks off.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 8:30 am to SpeckledTiger
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They can't prove you have an AR pistol with a brace (or any other accessories) without also admitting to illegally keeping records of the purchase to begin with.
I was talking to a manager of one of the largest gun stores in BR a few weeks ago. I know the guy fairly well and he said that the ATF is going to put the brace issue back in the hands of FFL dealers. If you bring a gun in for any type of work and it fails the point system they are going to require FFL holders, gunsmiths etc to report. He said it sucks but the ATF is going to be the hammer and the LGS the nail.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 8:36 am to Lsudx256
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If they come to take my guns they will only get my lowers that are serialized. I have my 80% in a completely different location.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if they have a warrant you either open the safe for them or they going to diamond cut saw that bitch open.
Everyone likes to talk a big game until the Alphabet man is there with a warrant threatening to put you, your wife in jail and your kids in foster home. 99% of people will cave and give them what they want. It's just human nature.
People like to make out Trump as a tyrant but Trump didn't hire and extra 50K IRS agents and 10K ATF agents to put the government boot on citizens necks.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 8:37 am to lsufan1971
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f you bring a gun in for any type of work and it fails the point system they are going to require FFL holders, gunsmiths etc to report.
Are there any other "must report" requirements like this, outside the point of sale? Seems like a policy primed for evaluation under the new EPA court ruling.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 8:44 am to EsquireReb
I’m just here to say frick the ATF. Bunch of bitch arse losers that belong to one of the largest terrorist organizations to unfortunately grace this planet with their presence
Posted on 8/2/22 at 8:53 am to SpeckledTiger
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Are there any other "must report" requirements like this, outside the point of sale? Seems like a policy primed for evaluation under the new EPA court ruling.
From what the guy told me if you bring in a gun for any reason IE gunsmith work, trade, put on an accessory and it fails the point they will have to notify. This is what he is being told from the local ATF folks that is coming down after the the point system takes effect.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 9:07 am to lsufan1971
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if they have a warrant you either open the safe for them or they going to diamond cut saw that bitch open.
Are you talking about a hypothetical confiscation scheme, or just some dude doing some illegal shite and getting snitched out?
Posted on 8/2/22 at 9:10 am to beerJeep
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I’m just here to say frick the ATF. Bunch of bitch arse losers that belong to one of the largest terrorist organizations to unfortunately grace this planet with their presence
I'm just here to second that opinion.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 10:10 am to lsufan1971
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if they have a warrant you either open the safe for them or they going to diamond cut saw that bitch open.
i wonder if the "uppers safe" is located off the property? when the ATF get warrants, is it usually just the persons house, or do they do research for any other assets and get warrants for those as well?
lowers in the homestead house and uppers at the beach house.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 10:14 am to finchmeister08
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i wonder if the "uppers safe" is located off the property? when the ATF get warrants, is it usually just the persons house, or do they do research for any other assets and get warrants for those as well?
In most cases if they are investigating someone they are going to search any known property for evidence. If its a random just dropped by to say hello and show me your guns then probably not.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 10:18 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Are you talking about a hypothetical confiscation scheme, or just some dude doing some illegal shite and getting snitched out?
I'm talking about any case where the LEO has a search warrant in hand and they show up to execute said warrant. If there is a gun safe on the premises then its either opened by the owner or they are going to cut it open.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 10:24 am to lsufan1971
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I'm talking about any case where the LEO has a search warrant in hand and they show up to execute said warrant. If there is a gun safe on the premises then its either opened by the owner or they are going to cut it open.
The warrant needs to specify what is going to be searched. They can't show up and search outbuildings if it isn't in the warrant. They can't show up searching for weed if it isn't in the warrant.
It's a little bit more involved than "open the safe, or else..."
Also, if we're talking about widespread confiscation, we're looking at something entirely different than a localized investigation.
Posted on 8/2/22 at 3:59 pm to EsquireReb
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Where are we at on the pistol brace issue? I've seen the point system sheets but is that in effect now? All these articles mention August, 2022 as a "final action date". I was about to put together an AR9 but am wondering if i just need to SBR the thing now.
That date has been pushed back to December 2022 after the Second Amendment Foundation filed a lawsuit against the ATF over the issue, and also the fallout from the SCOTUS Bruen decision.
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“The agency has since processed all of those comments and is presently in the process of drafting the final rule, which includes preparing responses to comments and engaging in other deliberative activities. The agency currently expects to publish a final rule in December 2022.”
Second Amendment Foundation vs. BATFE
This post was edited on 8/2/22 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 8/2/22 at 4:09 pm to EsquireReb
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Where are we at on the pistol brace issue?
What is the issue?
I saw something about the point worksheet, but can someone link or elaborate what is going on? Are AR pistols sold in the past supposed to self report based on new rules?
Posted on 8/2/22 at 5:25 pm to beerJeep
The ATF, at its very core and founding, was and is an unconstitutional organization (along with the “rulings” that allowed it to be established and gave it power) that needs to be abolished yesterday. To hell with them and their point system.
This post was edited on 8/2/22 at 5:27 pm
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