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re: New to TD, was wondering what happenned to all the quail in S Louisiana?

Posted on 10/26/18 at 7:43 am to
Posted by celltech1981
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 7:43 am to
When I lived in thibodaux by a mix of cane and cow pasture I heard them all the time. This thread made me remember I haven't heard one in forever.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:01 am to
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on a positive note I was running across coveys in places where quail haven't been seen in a long time in ouachita and Richland parishes all these areas were retired farmland reforested under WRP program the farmers hadn't seen quail there in decades


The WRP will provide decent quail habitat for a couple of years, but once it grows up the quail numbers will drop again.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:05 am to
yep looks good for a few years then the trees shade out everything

there are a few places that planted native grass strips up there that look pretty good
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:06 am to
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I live in Washington parish my dad had bird dog
My last limit of wild LA quail came in washington parish...

2004....


next to and on ben's creek


and yes some of the sugar cane edges provide the best habitat in south la.....
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 8:08 am
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:10 am to
2017 Range-wide Accomplishment Report Details Longleaf Restoration Work

The current goal is 8 million acres


quote:

In 2017, approximately 131,250 acres of new longleaf pine were planted, with an increase in planting occurring on private lands. Prescribed burning took place on 1.37 million acres across both public and private lands. Additionally, a new reporting category was included in this year’s Report to account for silvicultural activities, meaning 5,600 acres of new longleaf stands were created through hardwood pine removal, prescribed fire, and other activities that converted an existing forest into a new longleaf forest.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:14 am to
Quail Forever is currently in the process of hiring a quail/land biologist for a portion of Louisiana to assist landowners with habitat management.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:21 am to
that's great news



there are a couple of properties in sw la that had remnant prairies and they are doing restoration there and seeing quite a bit of quail responding to it gotta be some landowners that would like to put their land into a program to benefit quail and not just for growing trees

the push for longleaf is a great thing but far too many properties are enrolled that are less than 100 acres very hard to find someone to burn less than 100 acres even harder to find someone to thin it and afraid they will have to pay someone to thin it and it will never get thinned or burned
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:25 am to
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there are a couple of properties in sw la that had remnant prairies and they are doing restoration there and seeing quite a bit of quail responding to it gotta be some landowners that would like to put their land into a program to benefit quail and not just for growing trees
wick and I made a couple of hunts on one of these places.. years ago.....near acadia jeff davis line
Posted by Ron Cheramie
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:30 am to
couple in calcasieu also
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:30 am to
Quail are currently are piggybacking the endangered red-cockaded woodpecker on federal lands. 80% of what is good for the woodpecker is good for the quail. This is also one of the pushes for longleaf pine restoration and burning on federal lands.


Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:32 am to
quote:

red-cockaded woodpecker
Lots at Indian Creek.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:36 am to
the woodpecker is the quails best friend in louisiana!
Posted by The Torch
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:38 am to
I was told by a wildlife biologist that the pine plantations and fire ants wiped them out in North La, we used to have a fair amount too.

Never forget as a kid walking through the woods and a covey gets up, would scare the crap out of you.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:44 am to
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the woodpecker is the quails best friend in louisiana!


It really is, the only thing that would be better would be reducing the pine tree density on the federal lands to between 40-60% allowing more sunlight to get to the ground. The woodpecker like it thicker, but there has been some compromise in certain areas of kisatchie.

What is good for the quail also happens to be good for many other animals and insects, deer turkey, bees, etc. The problems with this type of habit management much more expensive than a plant it and forget it typically found in Louisiana.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:57 am to
This is the current state of longleaf pine.


Posted by White Bear
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:22 am to
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the push for longleaf is a great thing but far too many properties are enrolled that are less than 100 acres very hard to find someone to burn less than 100 acres even harder to find someone to thin it and afraid they will have to pay someone to thin it and it will never get thinned or burned
Get certified through LSU AgCenter and burn it yourself. Certification protects you from lawyers.

I'll add from what I've seen burning is pretty expensive to hire done.
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 9:25 am
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:23 am to
there is a guy from NO that does pretty well on private property next to desoto.. near wiggins....
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:35 am to
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Get certified through LSU AgCenter and burn it yourself. Certification protects you from lawyers.


There is lots of help out there, grants, etc from both the state and federal level. Last time I talked with the LDWF upland biologist, I think there is money earmarked for initial burns on private land. There is also a Louisiana Prescribed Fire Council.



Posted by mack the knife
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:12 am to
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I think there is money earmarked for initial burns on private land.


there is. la dept of ag and forestry came out to my place a few years ago and bulldozed some paths into the woods i have to help it dry out - it was REALLY thick with privit. they also cut fire breaks around my perimeter. i let the woods "dry out" for a year and burned the next year and the year after that. most of the pivit is now gone and i've got plenty of beauty berry, poke weed, and wild cherry starting to pop up.
i've noticed an increase in turkeys pretty quick.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:27 am to
Yep. LDAF burns, but I think you still pay something for that service. Not as much as a private company though. I've spoken with a few guys that have had burns done by LDAF in the Evangeline/St. Landry area. Also, the payment scenario for prescribed burning through NFCS's EQIP program includes having someone burn if I remember correctly. So that helps defer the costs.
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