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re: New to TD, was wondering what happenned to all the quail in S Louisiana?
Posted on 10/25/18 at 4:54 pm to Cowboyfan89
Posted on 10/25/18 at 4:54 pm to Cowboyfan89
The invasive fescue grasses that go along with cattle in Louisiana make pastures a non feasible option for quail.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 5:26 pm to wickowick
Is there any way to transplant wild birds to a property? I think my habitat is ok, but have no quail.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 5:27 pm to wickowick
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The invasive fescue grasses that go along with cattle in Louisiana make pastures a non feasible option for quail.
I've walked a lot of pastures and haven't seen much fescue. Not saying it isn't there, but, I think there are bigger issues than a cool season grass.
To me, the bigger issues are the monocultures of bahia, carpetgrass, and bermudagrass; the extreme prejudice towards anything that is NOT one of those two grasses; lack of bunchgrasses and native forbs (caused by the afformentioned prejudice); and the overgrazing that is prevalent in pastures in south Louisiana.
If fescue were the only problem, I think that would be manageable. Pastures as a whole are poor wildlife habitat because of the lack of structure and diversity.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 5:32 pm to Cowboyfan89
I think Bermudagrass is ok for them. It’s the Bahia that is bad. At least what I’ve heard
Posted on 10/25/18 at 5:55 pm to 257WBY
Are you talking about catching wild birds with nets or something? You can buy baby quail. My grandpa used to sell them
Posted on 10/25/18 at 5:58 pm to texag7
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I think Bermudagrass is ok for them. It’s the Bahia that is bad. At least what I’ve heard
It might not be as bad as bahia, but most research I've seen still points to getting rid of it if you are managing for quail. Bermudagrass is pretty aggressive, and in a grazed system, proper grazing management can actually result in bermudagrass expanding and outcompeting other species.
Quail need bunchgrasses for nesting cover, and the open ground you get in between allows chicks to move around better. Forbs and legumes coupled with bunchgrasses creates a diverse food supply for quail as well.
In today's agricultural landscape, it takes a farmer with a lot of acreage and an ecological conscience to balance the need to turn a profit and the desire to manage for wildlife where the two must coexist. It's easy in rice--just flood up after the crop os harvested, and you've got a waterfowl haven (when they get past that flooded corn...lol). I've heard of some guys in north Louisiana incorporating pollinators and wildlife friendly plantings into agricultural operations, but those are large operations...thousands of acres of cropland or hundreds of acres of pasture. It's not nearly as feasible for a guy who only has a couple hundred acres of cropland, or 50 or 60 acres of pastureland.
I would like to see some programs like Iowa puts on...Farm to Prairie is a cool one. Convert those headlands to prairie in the prairie country. There are cost assistance programs that pay pretty good for that kind of project.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 6:02 pm to Hammertime
A Jonny house is similar to a pigeon loft with a recall funal attached. The birds you left out are drawn back in by the birds in the house. They are stocked with penraised birds. Great for dog training not so much for bird reintroduction.
There is no real difference between a wild and penriaised bird till around 5 weeks. At that point they start losing survival instincts. The problem is that wild birds have a mom to teach them how to survive and pen raised birds do not
There is no real difference between a wild and penriaised bird till around 5 weeks. At that point they start losing survival instincts. The problem is that wild birds have a mom to teach them how to survive and pen raised birds do not
Posted on 10/25/18 at 6:56 pm to Hammertime
Game depts will move turkeys, deer, etc around. Is that done with quail? I know you can get pen raised, but not sure they’d survive.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 6:59 pm to 257WBY
257. Wih those species they are moving wild
Pen raised get eaten fast
Pen raised get eaten fast
Posted on 10/25/18 at 6:59 pm to 257WBY
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Game depts will move turkeys, deer, etc around. Is that done with quail? I know you can get pen raised, but not sure they’d survive
It has been done, but with limited success. Habitat is key as long as there are some seed birds around, they will respond to good habitat.
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:10 pm to celltech1981
Short stopping quail,
That's some funny shite
That's some funny shite
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 10/25/18 at 9:34 pm to wickowick
I live in Washington parish my dad had bird dogs and quail hunted his whole life. He trained dogs and the whole bit. Then about the time I came along was when the quail really started to disappear. I only went along a few times before he gave it up. He gave it up because there were no birds to hunt anymore. I wish I was old enough to remember “the good ol days of quail hunting” This whole parish was long needle pine at one time but once the paper companies started cutting them for timber they were replanted with the faster more profitable short needle pines. So now the only ones u can find that havnt been cut are in people’s yards. A few people have recently started replanting them but it’s normally just an acer or two around there houses.
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 10/25/18 at 10:10 pm to wickowick
Jumped a covey of about 12-15 yesterday. Bunches of young quail and a couple big birds
Hear them almost every day on the deer stand
Hear them almost every day on the deer stand
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:29 pm to tigerfoot
Hogs have devastated our nesting turkeys in Rapides Parish. I’m sure they do the same to quail?
Posted on 10/26/18 at 5:13 am to PinevilleTiger
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Hogs have devastated our nesting turkeys in Rapides Parish. I’m sure they do the same to quail?
I think this is a bit overblown. Hogs will destroy a nest if they come across it, but they don't actively seek nests out. There was research done in Kisatchie a few years ago on nest predation, but I don't remember if they attributed the predation to particular species or not.
Now, with as bad as hogs are in some places, I think it's very possible that they could be destroying many nests. But overall, I don't think hogs are the most significant nest predator. I think there ade just so many of them that they get the bulk of the blame.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 7:07 am to Willy Wanka
the landscape has changed tremendously since the 80s and before when quail were common
people actually burned their properties and most the landscape wasn't slash pine plantations like it is now
clearcuts can be great habitat but timber companies have gone to less burning and now spray herbicides to nuke everything that isn't a pine tree which on turn kills all the food for quail (and deer and turkeys also)
another thing is that people used to have grown up fences which provided perfect habitat for quail now people spray their fences for aesthetics
fire ants, pigs, coyotes, avian predators, bobcats, disease, and all else fall way below lack of habitat which is the number one reason
people actually burned their properties and most the landscape wasn't slash pine plantations like it is now
clearcuts can be great habitat but timber companies have gone to less burning and now spray herbicides to nuke everything that isn't a pine tree which on turn kills all the food for quail (and deer and turkeys also)
another thing is that people used to have grown up fences which provided perfect habitat for quail now people spray their fences for aesthetics
fire ants, pigs, coyotes, avian predators, bobcats, disease, and all else fall way below lack of habitat which is the number one reason
Posted on 10/26/18 at 7:12 am to Willy Wanka
on a positive note I was running across coveys in places where quail haven't been seen in a long time in ouachita and Richland parishes all these areas were retired farmland reforested under WRP program the farmers hadn't seen quail there in decades
Posted on 10/26/18 at 7:31 am to Willy Wanka
This is simple. In my area it’s the increase of cane farming. When I was coming up they had a lot of quail. You used to have a lot of millot fields and corn. In my area I’ve now seen 1 quail in the last 20 years.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 7:40 am to Bow dude72
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cane fields
still see quite a few in the cane fields around Jeanerette and the berry
its actually pretty decent habitat
it's a tall grass
provides overhead cover
lots of bareground between the rows
weeds in between the rows for food
burned regularly
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