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re: New 200 HP Suzuki or Yamaha?
Posted on 8/18/20 at 7:21 am to Dock Holiday
Posted on 8/18/20 at 7:21 am to Dock Holiday
Won’t be able to do this since the old Ficht threw a bearing, but conversely, I always put the 120 quart fish box All the way up front, and that made a big difference, especially on those rare occasions we filled it up. I think the design issue I’d that the in-deck live well is too far aft. And I love the boat, but hate that live well location. Use bleach to clean your boat once and it will be years before pogies will be able to survive again.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 7:42 am to SeaPickle
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the zuke will have more torque for a larger prop bc of the gearing
I'm a huge fan of suzuki for this reason. Big wheels are more efficient and zukis swing big wheels.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 8:24 am to Icansee4miles
Both are solid choices but the price difference would lead me to the Suzuki.....I know several and have seen a bunch of guides and hook and line / spear commercial fishermen in Florida who use Suzuki engines and those boats and motors are abused in every sense of the word compared to what a individual would use them for in most cases. The Suzuki's hold up and can be replaced at a much lower cost than the Yammy. They probably don't have the resell value...I don't know...but I know they will tolerate a LOT of hours compared to what most people not using them for a living will put on them.
I was told once, I don't know if it is true, that part of Suzuki's marketing plan is to offer motors to guides and commercial fishermen at a reduced cost. Much more effective way to display your products to consumers who are probably in the market or will be someday...but if Suzuki does this I would bet all of them do it to some degree or another. At any rate you will find a BUNCH of Suzuki outboards on the transom of a lot of boats in Florida that are used way harder than boats owned by most individuals.
I was told once, I don't know if it is true, that part of Suzuki's marketing plan is to offer motors to guides and commercial fishermen at a reduced cost. Much more effective way to display your products to consumers who are probably in the market or will be someday...but if Suzuki does this I would bet all of them do it to some degree or another. At any rate you will find a BUNCH of Suzuki outboards on the transom of a lot of boats in Florida that are used way harder than boats owned by most individuals.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 1:25 pm to Icansee4miles
I have had both. I would go with the Yamaha, but the newer Suzukis are solid performers.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 2:54 pm to Gtmodawg
Zuk has had the repower market for years and it went into overdrive the past two.
Every mfg has a prostaff price for their motors, usually $5,000 + discount off retail.
Zuk is the only one i know of that doesn't upcharge for a white motor, Yam/Merc charge $1,500.
Every mfg has a prostaff price for their motors, usually $5,000 + discount off retail.
Zuk is the only one i know of that doesn't upcharge for a white motor, Yam/Merc charge $1,500.
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:33 pm to SeaPickle
22’ bay boat with an f200 I4.
I top out at 46mph and cruise at 5200rpm/41mph with a full load (5 adults and 58gallons day f fuel)
Fuel efficient as hell.
250 would’ve been fun but the 200 is the recommended power.
I top out at 46mph and cruise at 5200rpm/41mph with a full load (5 adults and 58gallons day f fuel)
Fuel efficient as hell.
250 would’ve been fun but the 200 is the recommended power.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 9:05 pm to Icansee4miles
Both outstanding motors but I would go to the 225 to get 6 cylinders with Yamaha. Make sure you have good dealers and repair options available. I live in South Alabama used to live in South Miss. They are Yamaha county. I used to own Suzuki, had about 6 repair shop options while everyone fixed Yamahas
Posted on 8/19/20 at 9:21 pm to CharlesLSU
Awful lot of slippage in those numbers.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 7:41 am to Icansee4miles
Basically everything that’s been said is true. We repowered with a 200 Yamaha on a 22’ pathfinder and see 50 with 2 people and a fishing load. My buddy just bought a 22’ pure bay with a 200 zuke and it’s been a great motor. He sees about 52 top end after playing with several different props. The zuke is a little better out of the whole because it essentially has two gear reductions in it as opposed to the yamaha’s one but I think the Yamaha will be a hair better on top end. Like I said I’ve driven them both back to back days. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy either one.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 8:01 am to LouisianaChessie
Someone told me a couple of years ago that Suzuki's "upper gear box" not only allowed for more aggressive props but also shifted the weight closed to the hull which supposedly improved hull performance...not only speed but handling and ride. Amy of you notice this? It seems to go against the idea of a bracket or even a thick offset jack plate but I could be missing something. It would also be interesting to see how that offset in the center of gravity of the engines impacts the hull signature on the water....there are a lot of people who design boat hulls for a living who claim some hulls actually raise fish. Bertram 31a and late 70 early 80 Mako 25s are widely claimed to raise more fish, everything else being equal, than any hulls ever built...I think it has more to do with the shear numbers which were built and sold but it'd be interesting to magically know if that engine being slight forward made any difference in the hull's raising fish....
Posted on 8/20/20 at 8:08 am to Gtmodawg
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It seems to go against the idea of a bracket or even a thick offset jack plate but I could be missing something. It would also be interesting to see how that offset in the center of gravity of the engines impacts the hull signature on the water....
Moving the CG of the outboard closer to the hull would create less of a moment (force * distance) on the transom and thus make the boat "squat" less.
The goal of a jackplate is completely different. An offset jackplate moves the motor further back from the hull allowing water more space to be able to run up from the stern to the prop, therefore able to jack the motor up higher without blowing out.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:15 am to reds on reds on reds
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The goal of a jackplate is completely different. An offset jackplate moves the motor further back from the hull allowing water more space to be able to run up from the stern to the prop, therefore able to jack the motor up higher without blowing out.
Thats what I thought....the same idea with a bracket, no? I have a jack plate on my duck boat and it doesn't have to plane because it never gets off a plane....when the motor is jacked up all the way and I haven't forgot to tilt it back down LOL....it simply takes off on a plane. I have assumed that was the idea behind the CG being further over the transom....I guess it would also be further over a jack plate or bracket. I have been told a bracket will enhance handling and make the hull perform like a longer hull...I had a boat with twins on a bracket once and I know it make close quarter handling easier but never compared the same hull without a bracket so I don't know about the difference at speed....it made for a better ride though because the engines were outside the transom and the difference in noise was substantial.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 11:44 am to Gtmodawg
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was told once, I don't know if it is true, that part of Suzuki's marketing plan is to offer motors to guides and commercial fishermen at a reduced cost.
Pretty much every boat manufacture, outboard motor manufacture, electronics manufacture, power pole, minn kota etc. offer discounts to guides.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 4:20 pm to KemoSabe65
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Awful lot of slippage in those numbers
What do you mean?
Yami Performance Bulletin
I think its pretty close considering test boat had much less weight.....
This post was edited on 8/20/20 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:53 am to CharlesLSU
Dialed in you should be closer on your rpm/mph ratio.
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Running the numbers on the Yam bulletin they had 16% slip.
A better prop might get you below 10%.
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Running the numbers on the Yam bulletin they had 16% slip.
A better prop might get you below 10%.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:43 pm to KemoSabe65
quote:Where did you see prop pitch?
Awful lot of slippage in those numbers.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 12:46 pm to Icansee4miles
Go ride around the commercial docks and charter boats and see what they run.....80% Yamaha. Yamahas cost more because they worth it.
Closest to Fourchon for service would be Rentovations in Cut Off.
Closest to Fourchon for service would be Rentovations in Cut Off.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:02 pm to AlxTgr
It’s on the bulletin, right side 3/4 down.
Eco Enertia 17p would be a good starting point.
Eco Enertia 17p would be a good starting point.
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 1:09 pm to KemoSabe65
I am so confused. You replied to a poster who listed his numbers.
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