re: Need some advice on training my lab

I knew the bat signal would go out to you on a retriever training thread on the OB.

Now let’s debate trials versus hunt tests lol.

Enjoyed the fishing trip btw.

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I’ve always felt like the relationship you develop with your dog replaces the need for an e collar.

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Shock collars might shorten the process for professional trainers who have no real relationship with the dog other than training. I would never put one of those things on my dog. They are borderline inhumane, imho.

I used water dog twice now. Both led to great results.

My current dog I did go with Ecollar to prevent breaking early on retrieves at gunshot. Only took one or two zaps, and then turned off the shocker and just used a vibrate.

Weird thing about how smart dogs are- My new pup gets excited too put the e collar on because she knows it is go time. The two days I forgot the E collar she said to heck with you and broke early a few times She did slam on the brakes and come back immediately when I told her too. But that turd knew exactly what she was doing without the collar!

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An ecollar is a tool…no more no less. It can be used or misused

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How about we just use it on children too, it's perfectly humane, right?
Or how about we start shock training human behavior that society dislikes. It's perfectly humane, right?
Maybe somebody should give you a shock when you frick up. It's perfectly humane, right?

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How about we just use it on children too, it's perfectly humane, right? Or how about we start shock training human behavior that society dislikes. It's perfectly humane, right? Maybe somebody should give you a shock when you frick up. It's perfectly humane, right?

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I don't care what you think. Certainly not about dog training, raising children, or anything else.

After 45 years of training, running, and judging dogs, I’ve seen a thing or two. And tried every training method out there. It’s a piss poor trainer who doesn’t balance lots of praise with discipline applied fairly.

I hope the OP finds the answer he’s looking for. I’ve referred him to a well respected program that could yield results and increase his knowledge.

Teach first, entrench the lessons thoroughly, and when the dog fully understands the lesson you can enforce with an ecollar. But, you have to read, review, and understand the program first

Start force fetch with physical pressure (ear pinch) and once that is understood, transition to e collar.

If you are going to force fetch him (which I highly recommend) use Evan Graham methodology Smart Works.

As far as the collar goes, he needs to be collar broken first. He needs to understand pressure and how to turn the pressure off. The collar is pressure.