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Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:10 am to No Colors
I've read 3 different threads on this and my conclusion is JJ and others have a legitimate beef with the tournament officials. It seems JJ had found a sweet spot in these tournaments and the rules have been changed a couple of times not to his advantage. I don't know the back story to a lot of this but someone does.
I don't know enough to make a judgement on how that fish was killed but many others (with far more experience) basically all have the same theory so basically if it walks, swims, and quacks like a duck it probably is.
I do think it's a shame and disgrace to bend or change the rules to either let someone win or keep someone out. I'm like JJ in that I don't play politics very well, if it's right it is or if it's wrong it is and this tournament was wrong. There is no gray area here IMHO.
I don't know enough to make a judgement on how that fish was killed but many others (with far more experience) basically all have the same theory so basically if it walks, swims, and quacks like a duck it probably is.
I do think it's a shame and disgrace to bend or change the rules to either let someone win or keep someone out. I'm like JJ in that I don't play politics very well, if it's right it is or if it's wrong it is and this tournament was wrong. There is no gray area here IMHO.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:51 am to jjtabor
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There is zero video of this fish even though the team was entered in the catch and release category as well.
This right here ends this discussion. Definitely should have been a DQ.
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 10:52 am
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:39 am to xenon16
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2. Mutilation to the fish, prior to landing or boating the catch, caused by sharks, other fish, mammals, or propellers that remove or penetrate the flesh. (Injuries caused by leader or line, scratches, old healed scars or regeneration deformities are not considered to be disqualifying injuries.) Any mutilation on the fish must be shown in a photograph and fully explained in a separate report accompanying the record application.
Sounds like JJ's concerns were warranted to me.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 1:12 pm to GRIZZ
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Sounds like JJ's concerns were warranted to me.
Plus, when a tourney seems to have made a rule specifically that blocks your participation, then further messed with you by a very specific application of a technicality ( canceling a category you entered in order to comply with first rule), I bet you tend to get real cranky if they then all of a sudden get loose with rule interpretation.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 4:44 pm to GooDat
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I ain't got no opinion on it. Other than I see grown arse men suckin off some dude on the internet
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:19 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Below is an official letter from the IGFA concerning mutilation and broken bills.
With regard to the polygraphs: the captain and the mate on the leader were both polygraphed for 2 hours each. They were quite literally interrogated on the issues of lacking video and on whether they ran over the fish with the propeller (even though running over a bill would not matter according to the IGFA). Both captain and mate passed “with flying colors” according to the polygraph examiners.
To say we take these decisions lightly and favor one team over another is absolutely ridiculous.
The correct decision was made.
- Bobby Carter, MGCBC Tournament Director
With regard to the polygraphs: the captain and the mate on the leader were both polygraphed for 2 hours each. They were quite literally interrogated on the issues of lacking video and on whether they ran over the fish with the propeller (even though running over a bill would not matter according to the IGFA). Both captain and mate passed “with flying colors” according to the polygraph examiners.
To say we take these decisions lightly and favor one team over another is absolutely ridiculous.
The correct decision was made.
- Bobby Carter, MGCBC Tournament Director
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:54 am to mgcbc1054
I still think its odd there is no video as having fished tournaments the last couple years there is no instance that video isnt rolling with a fish on the line.
IGFA is clear in their letter which settles the bill being broken does not disqualify, however the pictures of the fish with the cut on the lower jaw do resemble getting propped and raises doubt as if the prop broke the bill than it would be disqualified.
In this situation its impossible for JJ or MGCBC to come to agreement, should ruling go the other way then the aries could be protesting with the same letter from IGFA.
As others have said a decision has been made and one party inevitable will be upset, hopefully future tournaments will define a situation such as this clearly in the rules in the future to prevent any chance of interpretation.
IGFA is clear in their letter which settles the bill being broken does not disqualify, however the pictures of the fish with the cut on the lower jaw do resemble getting propped and raises doubt as if the prop broke the bill than it would be disqualified.
In this situation its impossible for JJ or MGCBC to come to agreement, should ruling go the other way then the aries could be protesting with the same letter from IGFA.
As others have said a decision has been made and one party inevitable will be upset, hopefully future tournaments will define a situation such as this clearly in the rules in the future to prevent any chance of interpretation.
This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 9:07 am
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:05 am to Tbooux
Lesson to learn...if there is no video of the fish you are weighing being fought and landed, then the fish is DQed.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:19 am to mgcbc1054
Just curious if you sent them a picture of the fish with his broken top and bottom bill to go along with your question.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:21 am to ihometiger
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Just curious if you sent them a picture of the fish with his broken top and bottom bill to go along with your question.
he made his one post and is long gone, he won't be back to answer any questions 
Posted on 6/21/17 at 12:50 pm to redneck
I'd like someone to explain how taking a prop blast hard enough to sheer a bill almost clean off would not affect a fish's fight? It very well may of straight knocked the fish out.
Furthermore, if the fish was said to have broke its bill on the side of the boat then how did its lower jaw get sliced off too?
Furthermore, if the fish was said to have broke its bill on the side of the boat then how did its lower jaw get sliced off too?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:41 pm to ihometiger
It says that they had a phone discussion. Doubt he ever saw a pic
Posted on 6/21/17 at 3:19 pm to xenon16
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Doubt he ever saw a pic
and he's been online all day but has not responded to the question. I wonder how many times he has hit refresh in anger
Posted on 6/21/17 at 3:36 pm to redneck
I'm about tired of hearing about this drama.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 3:54 pm to Motorboat
No shite. Jesus Christ himself could make a ruling and they'd still argue over whether it should have been DQ'd or not.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:16 pm to JAB528
Wait
Just catching up. What's the story with this?
Just catching up. What's the story with this?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:05 pm to mgcbc1054
Hang around Bobby, good folks here
Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:26 am to baldona
Does anyone else think that letter was asked to be written in a CYA move?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:56 am to Barneyrb
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Does anyone else think that letter was asked to be written in a CYA move?
Without a doubt. I would like to know if IGFA saw a picture of the fish as another poster asked.
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