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Many ‘gun safes’ for sale on the market today are smoke and mirrors
Posted on 7/15/18 at 1:24 am
Posted on 7/15/18 at 1:24 am
That thick looking door on many of the ‘safes’?
It is thin gauge sheetmetal folded over drywall and made to look like thick steel:
Underwriters Labratories don’t allow these products to be classified as safes, so they are called ‘Residential Security Cabinets’
All the glossy paint and chrome? A safe should ideally be hidden for security which makes appearance a waste of money.
The top of this Chinese safe was beaten open with a hammer:
Point is if your budget is limited you might get just as much security with other cheaper options such as job boxes and concealment. Just buying one of these can give a false sense so think about the whole picture if you have one.
It is thin gauge sheetmetal folded over drywall and made to look like thick steel:
Underwriters Labratories don’t allow these products to be classified as safes, so they are called ‘Residential Security Cabinets’
All the glossy paint and chrome? A safe should ideally be hidden for security which makes appearance a waste of money.
The top of this Chinese safe was beaten open with a hammer:
Point is if your budget is limited you might get just as much security with other cheaper options such as job boxes and concealment. Just buying one of these can give a false sense so think about the whole picture if you have one.
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 1:25 am
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 2:13 am to weagle99
Yep, if you want real security, you have to get away from the RSC’s gun safes(residential storage containers). Most ALL gun safes in your big box stores are RSC’s, are garbage and easily broken into with a fireman’s axe. Go to YouTube and watch some of those experts break into these safes within 1-2 minutes. The commercial grade safes TL-15 and TL-30 rated safes are the way to go, and if you have insurance on your guns, it’ll be much cheaper with one of these safes. Only downside is that they are expensive, I priced a TL-30 safe and they started at $8300. If you have 60k worth of valuables, it’s a damn good investment.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 5:22 am to weagle99
Guns safes being burglar proof is a myth. I have a Liberty safe but I know full well it won't deter a determined thief but it does work great for having some kind of fire protection. FTR I don't support mandatory storage laws for many reasons and one of is the gun safes stops thieves.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 6:02 am to weagle99
Good post. The primary purpose for mine was to ensure that the guns were out of reach of my kids and their friends when I wasn’t around. But for real security a heavier box is required.
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 6:03 am
Posted on 7/15/18 at 6:13 am to weagle99
While certainly true, if you have a thief with any decent brain power that has the time and motivation there's not many safes they can't break into. The chances of a big box store safe doing the job is extremely likely, I'm not for cheap safes I'm simply saying that most robberies are quick in and out in a hurry ordeals.
Now if you have $10 mil net worth with $100k of crap in there certainly look at better. But the fire protection, weight and inability to pick up, and the lock is really all most people need.
Now if you have $10 mil net worth with $100k of crap in there certainly look at better. But the fire protection, weight and inability to pick up, and the lock is really all most people need.
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 6:15 am
Posted on 7/15/18 at 6:54 am to baldona
All safes can be compromised, where it is located and access to the sides and doors is far more important that brand/cost.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 7:31 am to TBoy
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The primary purpose for mine was to ensure that the guns were out of reach of my kids and their friends
Same here. I have a $150ish Stack-On safe that I know isnt going to do anything to stop a determined thief but it does a great job of making sure my guns are secure from kids. I only have maybe around $2000-2500 in value in the 4 guns in there and a couple hundred bucks worth of ammo. Homeowner insurance covers up to $2500 on theft of guns, so I wasnt worried about spending a bunch of money on an expensive safe for my small number of guns. Just needed a place to store neatly and where curious kids couldnt get to them.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 7:49 am to Tiger Prawn
It’s the old “better than nothing” scenario. Unless you live in a high crime area, you shouldn’t have much to worry about anyway.
But at least that cheap safe is an added layer of protection, like your locks, cameras, or burglar alarm. You really can’t stop someone from breaking in no matter what you do. But at least you can make his goal of stealing your guns more difficult
But at least that cheap safe is an added layer of protection, like your locks, cameras, or burglar alarm. You really can’t stop someone from breaking in no matter what you do. But at least you can make his goal of stealing your guns more difficult
Posted on 7/15/18 at 8:06 am to tigerinthebueche
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Many ‘gun safes’ for sale on the market today are smoke and mirrors It’s the old “better than nothing” scenario. Unless you live in a high crime area, you shouldn’t have much to worry about anyway. But at least that cheap safe is an added layer of protection, like your locks, cameras, or burglar alarm. You really can’t stop someone from breaking in no matter what you do. But at least you can make his goal of stealing your guns more difficult
My thoughts. Sure they can break into the safe, but I bet they won't like doing it while the alarm system is going off.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 8:34 am to weagle99
A safe or rsc should only be one level of security. Between my rsc, dog, alarm, the sherriffs deputy that lives next door, the state trooper that lives across the street, and insurance, I’m good.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 8:45 am to weagle99
well having a pry bar, sledge hammer. and cutting torch on hand while breaking into my house while the alarm going off to break into my safe that is built into the wall seems like it would take more time to get into than just running in grabbing guns from the corner. So i will take my chances.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:02 am to weagle99
I plan on getting a gun cabinet from Vault Pro once the house remodel is finished. They fit the doors so that it is much more difficult to even fit a prying tool in the gap. Also, placing the RSC in such a way as to impede forced entry attacks can make them more secure. I'm modifying a closet where there will be enough room to open the door but getting at it with a large enough prybar or hammer will be impossible without ripping out wall studs and solid wood around it.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:28 am to weagle99
You can use a thin, but fireproof one. Only thing is that you have to disguise it or conceal it. I have two hiding spots in my house that no one would ever be able to find. I don't even feel the need to have locks on them. Just get creative
Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:39 am to oleyeller
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well having a pry bar, sledge hammer. and cutting torch on hand
We had to have our very expensive office safe busted open two years ago after the digital lock had a melt down. It’s amazing how a pro can get into one relatively easy especially if they don’t have to worry about salvaging the safe
Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:50 am to weagle99
My gun safe isn’t to keep thieves out, I can replace the guns easily and have insurance.
My gun safe is to keep my kids safe. Kids do dumb things. They won’t get a hammer out and beat my safe
My gun safe is to keep my kids safe. Kids do dumb things. They won’t get a hammer out and beat my safe
Posted on 7/15/18 at 11:02 am to tigerfoot
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insurance
Many homeowners policies only cover a limited amount for guns, so depending on what you have an additional policy might be needed.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 11:53 am to tigerfoot
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I can replace the guns easily and have insurance.
My favorite guns I own weren’t brand new when I bought them. I don’t have anything very collectible or expensive, but they aren’t easily replaceable either. My Marlin 22 was made in 1936. They literally don’t make em like that anymore.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 11:54 am to weagle99
Our personal articles policy covers them
Posted on 7/15/18 at 11:56 am to upgrade
I have a a bunch of em old and new, some from my grandma. I just don’t have an emotional connection to things. I solely have them locked away to keep curious minds from doing dumb things
Posted on 7/15/18 at 4:06 pm to weagle99
Graffunder FTMFW.
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