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re: Manually raising a heavy pole... best method

Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:25 am to
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:25 am to
Find one of these guys
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
22315 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:41 am to
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Can you get a truck or 4 wheeler where you will be setting it up? If so set the bottom of the pole near the first hole. Raise up the end opposite of the hole and sit on the tailgate, get in back the truck and have someone back up slowly while you walk it up, It shouldn't be that heavy


He's right. The heaviest it will be is the first couple of feet off the ground. The higher you go the lighter it will be as the center of gravity moves down past the midpoint of the pole(basically a function of the distance from truck to hole). 2 guys in the back of the truck and one backing the truck up is the way to go. Really need 2 people holding the pole to keep it from moving left or right. If you are holding it by yourself and it starts to go left or right... you will not be able to control that much weight if not directly in center of you where you can use both arms equally.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 9:43 am
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
24840 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:21 am to
Thanks everyone lots of good ideas. Most of them I had considered. Most I have considered a couple I have not, such as walking it up while in the back of the truck.

A final decision will happen when we find out exactly how much they weigh.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:58 am to
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with only two people to work and no tractor to lift it


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20 ft long
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40 inches around


I dont think its going to work with two people and no machinery, that sounds like a heavy arse poll.

I'd look into amish barn raising techniques though
Posted by Propagandalf
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2010
2528 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:25 am to
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An make sure someone is videoing this when you stand this thing up.


This +1
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
24840 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:26 am to
My current, non-final, idea is this. Dig 4 holes with entrance slope and 2x4 back stops. Position two poles and lift them into the bed of the truck. Lift again and put a board across the back of the truck to get them even higher.

Next lag bolt in the floor framing board and some bracing. So that they will be the correct distance exactly. This will also prevent the side to side movement when trying to lift a single pole.

Attach a rope 15 foot rope to top of pole 1 and then again to top of pole 2. Attach two pull ropes to the center of that rope and use a come-along to begin pulling the pulls vertical. Move truck clear. Once all the first come-along is racheted as far as it can go then use the second rope and come along to pull further which will allow us to alternate as needed until the pole falls into place.

Repeat process for other two poles.


Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
28700 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:42 am to
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The poles at its biggest are about 40 inches around... if measured before it was spit in too halves


So each piece is a half that is 3 inches thick?

If so... That pole weighs under 250lbs.

Put it in the hole and stand it up.

If you messed up your circumference measurement, then we could probably get into real weight.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
24840 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:54 am to
How can a 40 inch circumference pole cut in half only be 3 inches thick? Pie tells me it would be 12 inches in diameter and there for 6 inches thick after cutting into two.

And after doing these calculations I see that I underestimated the size when I said 40 inches.

Regardless of the circumference the diameter at the butt end of the pole is actually about 22 inches in diameter. So once cut in half the thickness of the butt end will be about 11 inches.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
28700 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:18 pm to
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Regardless of the circumference the diameter at the butt end of the pole is actually about 22 inches in diameter. So once cut in half the thickness of the butt end will be about 11 inches.



Real weight.

Even still, just stand it up. That's under 700lbs baw.

My corner poles for my fences are 14inches in diameter and 14 feet long. They are 6ft in the ground. Set the end almost into the hole. Lift and let it wedge against the far side, walk up the pole.

If you are dead set on it being difficult, drop the end into the hole and get yourself two pulleys and some heavy rope.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
24840 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:41 pm to
Exactly, I don't know how heavy the poles will be. Trying to plan for the worst so that I am up there with a bunch of work too do and can't past step 1.

Two hour drive is way to long to just unload materials and then turn around to head home.

If they are light enough to simply push them up then that will be the solution. I doubt it will be that easy. The suckers are originally from a powerline.
Posted by Ol Bald Coach
Member since Aug 2014
9 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:54 pm to
Could place a 2x6 in the hole to guide the pole down the hole.Board gives it a smooth surface to slide down and keeps it from digging into the ground while lifting it.
Posted by nolaks
Member since Dec 2013
1220 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:07 pm to
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you can get a couple of chokers, a rope, snatch block and a come-a-long and you should be in business


most of my good loving stories start like this, but go down hill quickly
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22408 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:09 pm to
Honestly I think you use this as an excuse to rent a tractor or something for a day. Maybe get one with a bush hog and knock a couple jobs out that weekend.

You could build something like an A frame with some 4x4s to help hoist.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
24840 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:20 pm to
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Could place a 2x6 in the hole to guide the pole down the hole.Board gives it a smooth surface to slide down and keeps it from digging into the ground while lifting it.


Already in my plan! Thanks.
Posted by DeoreDX
Member since Oct 2010
4146 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:00 pm to
Now this is how you do it.

First off you need some 2x4's to make a channel/trough that your pole can slide on. You will need a lot of rope, something to anchor the rope into the ground with, and a pick-em-up truck preferably a Chevy GMT400 series with a Vortek not one of those new sissy King Ranch ford pseudo trucks.

What you will be doing is raising the pole up by pulling from the bottom with a rope hooked to the trailer hitch of your GMT400. First you put the top of the pole onto your tailgate. You will lash the top of the pole in two places to the ground triangulating the ropes from each other. This keeps the top of the pole from wandering and tipping to the side. Bottom image is a top-down view showing what I'm talking about. Bottom of the pole sits in a 2x4 trough. This trough will keep the bottom of the pole going in the right direction and should end at the entrance to your hole. Might need to be anchored to the ground too. Rope is attached to the bottom of the pole hooked up to your trailer hitch. After all the ropes are secured you just need to use that Vortec power to pull the bottom of the pole towards the hole. The guy lines hooked up to the top will pull the top of the pole up as you pull the bottom of the pole towards and eventually into the hole. If you have any smart Auburn Engineering friends they can figure out the geometry on how long the ropes need to be and how far apart they need to be anchored.



For the record I have never seen nor heard of this being done. I just sort of dreamed it up while sitting here bored on an HR conference call. There is a good chance the pole comes through your cab if one or both of your guy lines give. I can not be held liable if you die which you most likely will. Please film and post on yourtube if you do it this way. My scale model worked like a f'king boss though.


Posted by Elusiveporpi
Below I-10
Member since Feb 2011
2637 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:06 pm to
This is how we moved our pilings. A frame
Posted by nolaks
Member since Dec 2013
1220 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:40 pm to
seems like if you could drag it over a fairly high center pivot point, maybe a 55 gal drum you could lever it then walk it up
Posted by rgsa
La.
Member since May 2015
2608 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 5:21 pm to
Truck method will work ok. We removed the tailgate and the poles were easier to handle when the truck backed up.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
24840 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 5:24 pm to
Wow thanks DeoreDX. That is one idea that I had not thought of.
Posted by Chuker
St George, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2015
7544 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:05 pm to
That plan looks like it could be highly successful or highly unsuccessful. Either way, would love to see it in action.
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