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re: Louisiana Law (green jeans)
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:57 pm to jorconalx
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:57 pm to jorconalx
The show is obviously for drama, so it naturally puts green jeans in the light of protecting wildlife instead of conservatory and education. I think the show and production puts pressures on the agents to capture content, so they enforce everything. There are absolutely moments that are WTF and overboard, especially with younger people.
My own run-ins with green jeans in Louisiana are different than the show puts on. I was even over the limit reds and trout one time because I was in a kayak, carrying mine and my wife's catch. I remember having 8 reds in the bag and over the limit of trout. When I was "stopped", my wife was probably a mile away. I told GJ my story and asked him if I could call my wife to have her come to our spot. He said no... which I realize now, my wife could have just dumped her catch if she had any, so GJ probably knew this possibility. GJ went through my stuff and just gave me verbal warning. They weren't rude or condescending and more worried about my safety instead of the limit of fish.
My own run-ins with green jeans in Louisiana are different than the show puts on. I was even over the limit reds and trout one time because I was in a kayak, carrying mine and my wife's catch. I remember having 8 reds in the bag and over the limit of trout. When I was "stopped", my wife was probably a mile away. I told GJ my story and asked him if I could call my wife to have her come to our spot. He said no... which I realize now, my wife could have just dumped her catch if she had any, so GJ probably knew this possibility. GJ went through my stuff and just gave me verbal warning. They weren't rude or condescending and more worried about my safety instead of the limit of fish.
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:06 pm to Bow dude72
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On the show there was an episode in which this guy killed and tagged a deer. But Green Jeans saw some old dried blood in the bed of the hunters truck. He then proceeded to go through the hunters phone comparing pictures on the phone to the bed of his truck. Then the hunter confessed to not tagging some deer. Look I believe 100% in following the law. It’s the law enforcement tactics of both LDWF and normal cops I have issues with. I guess I’m just hardcore on protecting my rights.
No doubt, I know of a guy on a lease that shot a buck and his buddy shot a buck the same evening hunt (on the same lease but different stands and both properly tagged) and he posted, albeit stupidly, a picture with them both side by side with him in the middle. This was like 3 years ago and the green jeans were still showing up and questioning him about it and calling as of last year. Not sure if it ever got resolved or how.
Moral of the story I guess is don't post pictures, or if you do make sure you have both shooters in the picture. But I think green jeans can often be heavy handed, I know of great guys and have ran into some not so great ones. But I typically do everything in my power to make sure I'm always in compliance because it just isn't worth the trouble or losing hunting rights.
Now the people shooting deer at night or the mechanical deer, or those MS guys shooting like 30 something or however many sprigs and putting them down their waders and hiding them all over, I have no sympathy for. I think the show is probably amped up a bit to sensationalize it for viewers.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:11 pm to Bow dude72
I went to high school with a Greenjeans that I think is a Major now. Heard he was about to retire. Also know a Greenjeans through our men’s church retreat group that was wounded while on patrol. Almost died. His testimony is amazing btw. If any baws on here hunt in the Monroe area you probably know both of these guys. Probably intimately lol. With that being said, I have no doubt both would write me a ticket even though I know them if I broke the law. I guess that’s why I am ultra anal about following the rules these days since I used not to be that way and I paid the price a few times via a couple of Feds back in the day who make the local Greenjeans look like choirboys.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 5:34 pm to keakar
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look it up, they have more power than the FBI, CIA, NSA combined
In Arkansas, every time there's a big hopeful drug bust, the law enforcement folks always take a Game and Fish guy along.
Those guys don't need a search warrant.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 5:36 pm to Ron Cheramie
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100% false. Wish you would stop spewing that crap
i can't speak for louisiana, but in arkansas, game and fish guys don't need a search warrant; that's why law enforcement types always take a game warden with them on drug busts;
i've covered this stuff for 30 years; have seen that exact scenario dozens of times
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:23 pm to exiledhogfan
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i can't speak for louisiana, but in arkansas, game and fish guys don't need a search warrant; that's why law enforcement types always take a game warden with them on drug busts;
i've covered this stuff for 30 years; have seen that exact scenario dozens of times
IDK about Arkansas, and I don't doubt they do it everywhere but for a drug bust in a dwelling without a warrant with no PC on any sort of wildlife violation is just absurd to me. Once again, I do not doubt they do that though.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 6:50 pm to BorrisMart
I thought we settled this no warrant power thing last go around here.
Again, read State V McHugh. It is only limited, in a game & fish situation. And just a brief stop under boating safety.
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Again, read State V McHugh. It is only limited, in a game & fish situation. And just a brief stop under boating safety.
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This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:16 pm to EF Hutton
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I thought we settled this no warrant power thing last go around here.
Again, read State V McHugh. It is only limited, in a game & fish situation. And just a brief stop under boating safety.
I've analyzed many cases on it from trial to higher courts (if they went that far), including that one. It doesn't change the fact it is absurd.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:19 pm to BorrisMart
It weighs the Limited intrusion in a not common area against not being able to do the job at all. It’s clear as glass.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:25 pm to EF Hutton
im not arguing the reasoning being explained but it is hardly clear for a scenario for a situation where wildlife laws aren't even in question. If the cops have PC warrants are easy to get, many of which are a phone call away and signed while the cops are set up to approach the house.
McHugh is about automobile stops based on the presumption that they can stop a vehicle with the balancing test (not PC requirement) to see if they have a hunting license or have any illegal game in the vehicle. Based on the fact that the majority of the state are wetlands and surveillance of such aren't easy enough for them to do so effectively to carry out their duty.
This is different than them doing a ride along for a home raid where no PC for wildlife violations are present and the police may, or may not, have PC but no warrant at the time. Arguably, the loophole there is they proceed in that situation under the balancing test but once that were to occur the burden shifts to the State to show that it was a reasonable intrusion and why it was necessary without a warrant using a game warden.
Once again, I am not picking a fight about what they "can" do, I am just stating it is a little ridiculous in the context I am referring to.
McHugh is about automobile stops based on the presumption that they can stop a vehicle with the balancing test (not PC requirement) to see if they have a hunting license or have any illegal game in the vehicle. Based on the fact that the majority of the state are wetlands and surveillance of such aren't easy enough for them to do so effectively to carry out their duty.
This is different than them doing a ride along for a home raid where no PC for wildlife violations are present and the police may, or may not, have PC but no warrant at the time. Arguably, the loophole there is they proceed in that situation under the balancing test but once that were to occur the burden shifts to the State to show that it was a reasonable intrusion and why it was necessary without a warrant using a game warden.
Once again, I am not picking a fight about what they "can" do, I am just stating it is a little ridiculous in the context I am referring to.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:41 pm to BorrisMart
Because what you are reading here is all BS. Let it go in one ear and out the other .
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:46 pm to EF Hutton
I don't get any legal information from here. I may read what people are saying and comment on it from an entertainment perspective but it is in no way legal advice (nor have I ever given legal advice here, except for routinely telling people to hire a lawyer if someone posts a legal question) on my part, and nothing I read here I would take as legal guidance.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:52 pm to BorrisMart
Right. When you see a post here about a game warden riding along with Pine Bluff AR PD narcotics squad, thats all talk. That does not really take place. These guys are pulling your leg.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:43 pm to EF Hutton
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Right. When you see a post here about a game warden riding along with Pine Bluff AR PD narcotics squad, thats all talk. That does not really take place. These guys are pulling your leg.
Perhaps, but I do know of somewhat similar things happening here, but that was years ago and they didn't find anything so nothing came of it really.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 10:19 pm to Bow dude72
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saw some old dried blood in the bed of the hunters truck.
It belonged to the last prick to ask questions about shite that doesn't concern him.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 11:16 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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Permission to kill their ducks.
I sense there is something deeper here than a young hunter being ticketed.
What gives?
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:06 am to exiledhogfan
quote:they still need probably cause. Which the appearance of having recently been hunting is often times enough
Those guys don't need a search warrant.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:14 am to AutoYes_Clown
quote:Wiping their asses with the Constitution….if it saves one deer, or one blue gill…
The show is obviously for drama, so it naturally puts green jeans in the light of protecting wildlife instead of conservatory and education.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 8:46 am to Higgysmalls
I watch the show a pretty good bit. There is one super prick that patrols the marsh in SW LA. I believe his name is Dupre.
Total arse hat.
Total arse hat.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:58 am to geauxbrown
I just can’t stand the never ending expansion of government authority. They’re constantly adding new ways to tax you. In this case, this kid jumped through all of their stupid hoops just to get permission from the state to utilize their resources, which is a joke to begin with and has nothing to do with conservation, only to have them take the reward of his labor because of something as trivial as a WMA check in.
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