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Louisiana Bow Hunters Podcast - interesting episode

Posted on 11/3/23 at 11:42 am
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
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Posted on 11/3/23 at 11:42 am
Link the the Louisiana Bow Hunters Podcast

Quick summary for those who do not want to listen: Bow hunter kills nice deer just over the LA/MS state line. Pictures posted online. Brought head/cape to house in Louisiana for mounting. Green jeans show up 5 deep at this hunter's house to doll out justice.

Green jeans making sure we know who is in charge. Interesting listen. Full disclosure - I know Travis and consider him a friend.
This post was edited on 11/3/23 at 12:02 pm
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/3/23 at 11:51 am to
This happened to someone I know in North La, they killed a buck/ doe or some combo on the same day that wasn't legal even though they had tags.

Posted pics on facebook showing off, same afternoon Green Jeans shows up and writes 3-4 tickets.

Bragging got them busted



This post was edited on 11/3/23 at 11:55 am
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 12:05 pm to
Green jeans are always creeping on social media. This place included.

Moral of the story:

Keep your mouth shut.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5586 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 1:08 pm to
Travis broke the law. The topic has been well covered on hunting forums and in the media.
From a practical standpoint, the law is bullshite. He moved the animal 17 miles. It’s very possible that the buck had gone that far into Louisiana in his lifetime. The law is placing an undue burden on the hunter to clean the skull or find a taxidermist in the state it was killed in. Two years ago, I stayed a day extra at camp to boil the skull of a buck so that I would be in compliance with the onerous laws.
Also, the hunter in this situation had his head confiscated and supposedly incinerated.
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
26504 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

Travis broke the law. The topic has been well covered on hunting forums and in the media.
From a practical standpoint, the law is bullshite. He moved the animal 17 miles. It’s very possible that the buck had gone that far into Louisiana in his lifetime. The law is placing an undue burden on the hunter to clean the skull or find a taxidermist in the state it was killed in. Two years ago, I stayed a day extra at camp to boil the skull of a buck so that I would be in compliance with the onerous laws.
Also, the hunter in this situation had his head confiscated and supposedly incinerated.


Yeah they actually had pictures of it on both sides of the state line on cams. That just highlights the absurdity of it all. To destroy that head was wanton waste. Something WLF is supposed to protect against. Agree with all that you said. I've sent this out to to many friends who hunt over the state line. There are a large number of people in the Baton Rouge area that hunt south Mississippi.

Two things everyone needs to take from this:
1. Get off of social media (present site excluded) or just do not post pictures on it - yeah I know we all enjoy sharing that picture with our successes in the outdoors. It's just not worth it. Daddy government can use it against you.

2. Never EVER say anything to the cops. "Am I under arrest? Do you have search warrant? If no to both, please leave." Green Jeans and other LEO do not act in good faith very often.
This post was edited on 11/3/23 at 1:25 pm
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5586 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 1:37 pm to
The guys didn’t know what the regs were for moving carcasses, etc from a CWD hot zone. Here they are.

Where CWD is discovered in Louisiana, LDWF will create a CWD control area, the size of which will depend on the location and distribution of infected deer as well as the density, distribution, and seasonal movements of the local deer population. There will be feeding and baiting restrictions in the CWD control area where the disease is found. There also will be movement restrictions on deer carcass parts. Hunters will not be able to bring whole deer out from the CWD control area. They’ll be restricted to deboned meat, meat that is cut and wrapped, quarters with no part of the head and spinal cord, a clean skull plate with antlers, tanned hides, finished taxidermy mounts, cleaned cervid teeth, and the cape, which is the skin of the head and shoulders. Testing of deer harvested within the CWD control area is recommended. LDWF will maintain intensive surveillance in the CWD control area for an indefinite period of time.

Basically, you’ve got to get Taxidermy done before removing the head from the hot zone. No taking the head to your taxidermist back home, even within Louisiana.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13863 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 1:53 pm to
All the rules and tagging bullshite has taken the fun out of it for me. GFY LDWF.
Posted by bobdylan
Cankton
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 11/3/23 at 4:18 pm to
So the crime is that the head wasn’t cleaned?
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5586 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 4:46 pm to
Yes. The buck must have completely clean skull cap, skull (basically a European mount) or be a shoulder mount from the other state. The hunter killed in Mississippi, drove 17 miles home in Louisiana, and put the head in a freezer.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19431 posts
Posted on 11/3/23 at 8:29 pm to
Paid a fine in S Carolina in 2019. Wasn’t aware that SC had become one of the CWD states. Killed a Buck in Illinois on the afternoon of my last day to hunt. Daughter was getting baptized the next morning, so I loaded the deer up and headed home. Drove all night.

Made it to Church and afterwords took the deer to the local processor. Shortly after I left a warden showed up at the processors to check deer and saw mine. He called me first, asked if he could come by and see me and once at the house explained what I had done wrong.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse and I told him as much. Paid the ticket and got to keep my Buck. Also, they tested the deer and it came back negative.
Posted by bobdylan
Cankton
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 11/3/23 at 8:40 pm to
Thanks, wanted to make sure I understood the violation.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12714 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 7:47 am to
Just listened to this episode on my way to the woods this morning. Biggest takeaways for me are:

1) Don't post any harvests on social media. This is total BS that LDWF has a team dedicated to browsing Facebook all day. Talk about a waste of funds.

2) LDWF has no sense of compassion or forgiveness. Whether you agree or disagree with the law, Travis tried to do right, and in this particular situation, green jeans should have gotten back in the truck and drove off. Same thing with the guy without the WMA permit. First time hunter, did everything else right--give the guy a pass.

Yes, the law says a WMA permit is required, but use that as a lesson. Issue a warning. But nope--take the deer, write the ticket, and now a hunter has been lost.

Damn shame.
Posted by jcdogfish
Member since Apr 2022
47 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 10:10 am to
I've seen an investigation based on someone asking the poster if the deer pictured was killed on a WMA. They checked to see if the deer was checked out of the WMA, it was not because it was not killed there. But they used that info to track down the guy, question him, and used it to question others in the private lease where it was killed. Fortunately the Warden was understanding and issues a few warnings for minor stuff. The whole tagging system we use is screwed up. There is info that needs to be included on the kill sheet, your license etc that there are no places in either to put it. you have to jot it along the top etc. Any tagging system that you can print and copy your own tags is useless and those that choose to can make their way around it.
Posted by CaptJJ
Member since Jan 2021
52 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 11:40 am to
The taxidermy does not need to be done in the state killed. You can cape out the skull and saw the horns off to transport home to your local taxidermist. Ihave had several deer mounted from Iowa, MO and Alabama mounted by my taxidermist in Pearl River county MS having transported them legally home with me
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5586 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:40 pm to
Caping out the skull is easy to screw up and tedious work.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12714 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:44 pm to
Yeah that was what I thought as well.

If and when I ever go out of state, I think I may just shoot does...at least I don't have to worry about what do about bringing antlers back.

Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 1:45 pm to
Easiest way to handle it is to cut the horns off and bum a cape off someone else if you aren't comfortable skinning the skull.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81616 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

Bow hunter kills nice deer just over the LA/MS state line.
Where was this?
Posted by CaptJJ
Member since Jan 2021
52 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 3:50 pm to
I grew up around fur trapping, so had a lot of experience tailskinning things, and removing full hide from skulls. It ain't all that hard, you tube could talk about anyone though it. I'm not advocating for this BS law, just saying there are ways to get a buck back and mounted by your own taxidermist legally. Plenty taxidermist will cape out a skull for you for pretty cheap just for this one purpose now up in the midwest. I'd been doing it this way for years before the law, just cause I often shot a good one at the camp where we didn't have a freezer, so it was an easy way to be able to ice just the cap and keep hunting.
Not sure if they have changed anything in the 23/24 laws, but they had previously had special crave out regarding crossing the LA/MS line, specifically on thr MS river. I hunt the Bouga Chitto NWR a bunch, launching by boat from MS, but there is no language specifically for this area. The way the law is written, buck or doe, you technically have to completely bone out your kill on sight and couldn't even return to where I launch.
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
26504 posts
Posted on 11/7/23 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

Where was this?


West Feliciana Parish/Wilkinson County
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