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re: Looking for my son's first rifle
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:15 am to The Levee
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:15 am to The Levee
If you want to get him a creedmore just get him a 308 and use low recoil rounds for him until he can handle it.
How big of a recoil gap justifies something other than 308 in your mind?
How big of a recoil gap justifies something other than 308 in your mind?
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:19 am to The Levee
Why so many boutique rounds, just get him a .243
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:22 am to tenfoe
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I don’t understand the obsession with suppressing deer rifles. Especially for kids. Everyone has a pair of ear protection these days,
My opinion...
Call of duty cosplay
Stupidity
A little of both
Take your pick
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:23 am to halleburton
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shooting deer with subsonic
100% unethical
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:05 pm to The Levee
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Out of those the 350 Legend is hard to beat.
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Looks like I can suppress this round with a 30 cal can as well
You can't use a .35 in a .30 cal can.
Well, you might could but if you have a baffle strike, the company would not warranty the can and most .30 cal don't have that clearance.
As to those who don't understand using a can?
My constant ringing ears is all the justification I need in trying to protect my kids ears.
If it's available, I don't understand why someone would not do everything they possibly can to protect their kids.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:05 pm to Hogbit
I started my daughter on a Thompson 6.5 Creedmoore youth model and it was the best choice for sure. It’s small and light but still packs a punch and is a tack driver. It’s killed many deer and hogs with minimal tracking.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:32 pm to The Levee
Big proponent of the 6.5 Grendel. I’ve had mine since 2008. I’ve killed just about everything in North America except for the biggest game like grizzly, moose. Drops hogs in their tracks.
If you get it in the AR platform it will grow with him for a very long time.
I’ve been shooting Precision Firearms with 130 gr Berger VLD. LINK
Very low recoil. Very good ballistics out 600 yards. Packs a wallop.
Good luck to the little man. I can still remember my first rifle. Western Auto (I’m pretty sure it was a Steven’s) single shot .22. I shot that thing so much I wore out the rifling. Broke the front sight off it. Never forget it.
If you get it in the AR platform it will grow with him for a very long time.
I’ve been shooting Precision Firearms with 130 gr Berger VLD. LINK
Very low recoil. Very good ballistics out 600 yards. Packs a wallop.
Good luck to the little man. I can still remember my first rifle. Western Auto (I’m pretty sure it was a Steven’s) single shot .22. I shot that thing so much I wore out the rifling. Broke the front sight off it. Never forget it.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:22 pm to The Levee
.308 supressed
Or an AR
Weatherby Vanguard compact has adjustable stock. Worth a look. Accurate.
Or an AR
Weatherby Vanguard compact has adjustable stock. Worth a look. Accurate.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:38 pm to The Levee
So this is what I would do after having bought guns for my kids and somewhat regretting not buying them “heirloom” type guns.
I would buy the ruger in .223 it will kill deer out to 200yds easy and has no recoil and cheap to practice with. I would cut the stock to fit him as he grows up replace the stock with an aftermarket stock and it can continue being his gun or yours and then buy him a real gun in any “normal” Caliber you like (308,270,6.5cr).
The second gun should be a wood stock blued gun that will be a treasure when he’s old compared to a Tupperware stale stainless gun or Ar-15.
If he really likes guns and hunting he will fill a safe with other guns but that “first” gun will always hold a special spot in the safe and stand.
I would buy the ruger in .223 it will kill deer out to 200yds easy and has no recoil and cheap to practice with. I would cut the stock to fit him as he grows up replace the stock with an aftermarket stock and it can continue being his gun or yours and then buy him a real gun in any “normal” Caliber you like (308,270,6.5cr).
The second gun should be a wood stock blued gun that will be a treasure when he’s old compared to a Tupperware stale stainless gun or Ar-15.
If he really likes guns and hunting he will fill a safe with other guns but that “first” gun will always hold a special spot in the safe and stand.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:40 pm to The Levee
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a perfect brush gun is a 30-30 lever action....something you'd use to track deer in case you needed another shot....also something tough that you could throw in the sxs really quick to go smoke some pigs during daylight hours if needed.
Then why not buy the boy a 30-30? The difference between that and all the creedmore, Grendel, etc vanity cartridges listed is extreme. Guns are like boats. There’s not one great all-around boat that does everything well.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:58 pm to The Levee
Any round you want suppressed. Why suppressed so guy asked.
1. Complete reduction in recoil. The flitchys I called them with my kids can be taught out of a child. It makes your hunter a better marksman. Leads to more clean killsz
2. You can communicate with your child while making the shot. See above
3. Follow up shots on misses. Most deer will look up and never move if a clean miss. Hits usually end with deer never leaving the field.
4. Most guns come with a brake, when you remove it and attach the suppressor the weight and length is minimal.
5. You can all shoot the same exact round. A .308 with a suppressor is no different than any of these “fancy” rounds listed. Bergara Stoke suppressed will be with your child a long time
1. Complete reduction in recoil. The flitchys I called them with my kids can be taught out of a child. It makes your hunter a better marksman. Leads to more clean killsz
2. You can communicate with your child while making the shot. See above
3. Follow up shots on misses. Most deer will look up and never move if a clean miss. Hits usually end with deer never leaving the field.
4. Most guns come with a brake, when you remove it and attach the suppressor the weight and length is minimal.
5. You can all shoot the same exact round. A .308 with a suppressor is no different than any of these “fancy” rounds listed. Bergara Stoke suppressed will be with your child a long time
Posted on 1/2/25 at 2:21 pm to The Levee
Bergara Stoke in .243 or 350 Legend, or suppressed 7/08 or .308.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 1/2/25 at 2:42 pm to tenfoe
Most .30-30s come in a lever action. Not a good action for an inexperienced hunter. A bolt action is the safest action.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:00 pm to The Levee
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He's only 5 so this is an investment for the future....and if he out-grows it and wants to move on...I figured I'd get one that could be of use with the hogs as a brush gun as well.
I promise you he's going to outgrow whatever you buy him as his first rifle. Get a small rifle in a common caliber that makes reduced recoil rounds. Get a simple reticled light scope and let him learn to shoot deer with it. When he's 12 or 13 you can upgrade him to an adult rifle of your choice.
The problem with taking advice from random folks on the internet is many of them can't sneak up on a dead deer, many of them couldn't hit a deer standing still at 25 yards free-handed, a bunch of them can't find a deer if it runs more than 40 yards, and most of them can't do any of those things.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:18 pm to tenfoe
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Then why not buy the boy a 30-30? The difference between that and all the creedmore, Grendel, etc vanity cartridges listed is extreme. Guns are like boats. There’s not one great all-around boat that does everything well.
Because they are all over 1k
Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:41 pm to The Levee
.243 will continue to be underrated by the big gun baws but it will do what all those calibers will do lol. I’d I wanted to get weird, I’d go .260 or 25-06… no matter the caliber spend a little extra and buy a Tikka. Although, I just bought a Savage 2 Pro in .308 to tinker with and it’s a shooter.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:59 pm to Ol boy
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would buy the ruger in .223 it will kill deer out to 200yds easy and has no recoil and cheap to practice with. I would cut the stock to fit him as he grows up replace the stock
The gun he’s looking at has a fully adjustable LOP and cheek height with shims, and is twisted fast in 5.56/223. Obviously not a family heirloom but it would be a killer for anyone who can get down with the idea that 22 cal bullets will kill a deer. It’s basically a RSS that comes threaded, cerakoted, and will a fully adjustable stock.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 4:08 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
450 packs a punch
Get a .308 and call it a day
Get a .308 and call it a day
Posted on 1/2/25 at 4:28 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Yup. And I already have a 5.56 AR15 with a 1:7 twist btw
Posted on 1/2/25 at 4:57 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Son killed his first two with .223, but it didn’t leave enough blood on the ground for my liking. It was a limited sample size.
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