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re: Local Kayak Guide Caught Cheating in Tournament
Posted on 12/5/17 at 8:12 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 12/5/17 at 8:12 am to Chad504boy
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kayakers are scum of the earth.
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Posted on 12/5/17 at 8:16 am to maisweh
I was told you don't need a guide's license to do kayak guiding/tours, it was questioned but since he's not a licensed guide he's still allowed to participate in STAR.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 8:17 am to Motorboat
Why would you register a vessel without a motor? If that's the case then you have to register pirogues, canoes, dingy boats, etc
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:30 am to Janky
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can it be done through snapchat? Asking for a friend.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:34 am to YOURADHERE
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I was told you don't need a guide's license to do kayak guiding/tours, it was questioned but since he's not a licensed guide he's still allowed to participate in STAR.
This is what I was thinking. You should have to hold the same license as every other charter captain if you are going to profit from a tax payer owned natural resource.
At one point in time didn't the tournament director win a few of his own events? I think it was one of the events held at the old Bobby Lynn's. The guy owned a camp in the area, organized an event in his own back yard, and then won that bitch.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:57 am to HotKoolaid
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This is what I was thinking. You should have to hold the same license as every other charter captain if you are going to profit from a tax payer owned natural resource.
At one point in time didn't the tournament director win a few of his own events? I think it was one of the events held at the old Bobby Lynn's. The guy owned a camp in the area, organized an event in his own back yard, and then won that bitch.
Are you referring to BCKFC tournaments? If so, all board members are volunteers and therefore eligible to participate in all club events and functions just as a normal paying member. No one would volunteer if it meant they had to sit out an entire season. Board members are penalized enough by launching later than everyone else and arriving back to setup for the weigh in earlier than everyone else to make sure the events run smooth. I don't see the TD having an advantage over anyone else fishing the tournaments just because he put the effort into organizing it.
If the guy had a camp in Leeville and all 7 tournaments were held in Leeville, that's one thing. But BCKFC events are always spread across different areas of the coast regardless of which TD is doing the organizing.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 11:59 am
Posted on 12/5/17 at 12:18 pm to Mark Makers
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I don't see the TD having an advantage over anyone else fishing the tournaments just because he put the effort into organizing it.
I don't see how someone who's an expert in one specific area doesn't have an advantage over other people who are fishing it for the first time, but whatever.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 12:45 pm to HotKoolaid
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I don't see how someone who's an expert in one specific area doesn't have an advantage over other people who are fishing it for the first time, but whatever.
So are you saying that these tournaments are only for inexperienced anglers? Or just anglers new to the area?
Posted on 12/5/17 at 1:24 pm to DownSouthDave
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So are you saying that these tournaments are only for inexperienced anglers? Or just anglers new to the area?
I'm not saying anything other than someone volunteered to organize a tournament with probably $10k worth of cash an prizes in the area which they were most familiar. That's all I am saying.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 1:51 pm to HotKoolaid
What about other people in the area with camps?
There are some things about the tourneys that I don't especially care for, but this isn't one of them. I don't know the TD but I can guarantee that there are lots of people in the tournament who know the area as well, if not better than he does.
Like Makers said, they don't get as much time on the water as everyone else due to tournament obligations. If anyone is facing a disadvantage, seems like it's them.
There are some things about the tourneys that I don't especially care for, but this isn't one of them. I don't know the TD but I can guarantee that there are lots of people in the tournament who know the area as well, if not better than he does.
Like Makers said, they don't get as much time on the water as everyone else due to tournament obligations. If anyone is facing a disadvantage, seems like it's them.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 1:54 pm to HotKoolaid
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I was told you don't need a guide's license to do kayak guiding/tours, it was questioned but since he's not a licensed guide he's still allowed to participate in STAR.
This is what I was thinking. You should have to hold the same license as every other charter captain if you are going to profit from a tax payer owned natural resource.
You need a 6-pack (OUPV) captains license from the Coast Guard if you are carrying passengers for pay in your powered vessel.
LA state law for charter captains parallels the CG rules by requiring licensing if you have passengers.
Kayaks are not powered, arguably may not be vessels for purposes of the license requirement, and 99% are single, non-passenger boats.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 2:13 pm to TheCurmudgeon
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You need a 6-pack (OUPV) captains license from the Coast Guard if you are carrying passengers for pay in your powered vessel. LA state law for charter captains parallels the CG rules by requiring licensing if you have passengers. Kayaks are not powered, arguably may not be vessels for purposes of the license requirement, and 99% are single, non-passenger boats.
this is what I was looking for... they really need to do like I think the law in Minnesota is. my friend from up there fly guides and he needs a license even though its just walking in streams
Posted on 12/5/17 at 2:22 pm to DownSouthDave
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What about other people in the area with camps?
They didn't choose the spot. They just got lucky. In my eyes that is a big difference.
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There are some things about the tourneys that I don't especially care for, but this isn't one of them.
Thats fine, a lot of people probably agree with you. I just think it's wrong when the TD turns a $4k profit from selling a pro angler kayak he won in a tournament he organized in his own backyard. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, it's just my opinion.
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I don't know the TD but I can guarantee that there are lots of people in the tournament who know the area as well, if not better than he does.
Of course, but those people did not pick that location.
If I volunteered to organize an event, I would recuse myself from that event if I had an obvious intellectual property advantage over nearly every other competitor. I would feel wrong asking for prizes to be donated and then smashing everyone else because I've been fishing that same spot for the last decade.
None of this matters anyway. It's just my stupid opinion. I would rather burn alive than fish a kayak event.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:38 pm to HotKoolaid
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Thats fine, a lot of people probably agree with you. I just think it's wrong when the TD turns a $4k profit from selling a pro angler kayak he won in a tournament he organized in his own backyard. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, it's just my opinion.
We have two large tournaments a year with prizes similar to what you speak of. Year after year, one of these tournaments is on Hwy 1 and one of them is on Hwy 23. The weigh in locations may change from time to time, but the boundaries have been the same for a while. Tournament directors come and go, but the tournament format and boundaries have basically stayed the same. I'm just not understanding the advantage you are speaking of.
If a new tournament director were to come on board and attempt to relocate one of these large events, I can guarantee you it would come down to a board member vote of 10 people. The tournament director's job is to organize table/chair rentals, schedule the polygraph guy, order trophies/awards, schedule the fish cleaners, etc.
He's not just gonna waltz right in and relocate a tournament that brings in 250 people each year to Pete's Landing in St. Amant because he has a camp on the canal.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:51 pm to Mark Makers
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He's not just gonna waltz right in and relocate a tournament that brings in 250 people each year to Pete's Landing in St. Amant because he has a camp on the canal.
The issue I brought up is not a current one. It happened a while ago. I never said or even suggested it was an ongoing problem. The only point I made was a tournament director won his own tournament, and if I remember correctly he won it more than once. That's all.
I'm sorry I even brought it up.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:59 pm to HotKoolaid
This will probably end poorly for me, but we'll see. El Presidente' here... feel free to ask me any questions and I'll answer as best I can.
I jumped in b/c of the last post regarding a TD winning an event. If I'm thinking of who I think you're talking about, he did in fact win one of our tournaments... he also won a couple Lafayette Kayak club tournaments, as well as two Hobie World events. One was in Denmark, the other that "back yard" you're referring to. He doesn't have a camp in Leeville to my knowledge, so we may be talking about two different people.
But as it's been said before, our tournaments are spread from Houma, Grand Isle, New Orleans East, and Hwy 23 towards Venice. No matter where we have a tournament, someone will always be more knowledgeable than others. Many pre-fish throughout the year in these areas to prepare. Many also get regular boats so they can scout faster. Still requires you to learn an area, learn your gear, and execute your plan on tournament day.
Anyway, long time lurker to TD, and first time caller, so if it helps to answer your questions I'm happy to oblige.
I jumped in b/c of the last post regarding a TD winning an event. If I'm thinking of who I think you're talking about, he did in fact win one of our tournaments... he also won a couple Lafayette Kayak club tournaments, as well as two Hobie World events. One was in Denmark, the other that "back yard" you're referring to. He doesn't have a camp in Leeville to my knowledge, so we may be talking about two different people.
But as it's been said before, our tournaments are spread from Houma, Grand Isle, New Orleans East, and Hwy 23 towards Venice. No matter where we have a tournament, someone will always be more knowledgeable than others. Many pre-fish throughout the year in these areas to prepare. Many also get regular boats so they can scout faster. Still requires you to learn an area, learn your gear, and execute your plan on tournament day.
Anyway, long time lurker to TD, and first time caller, so if it helps to answer your questions I'm happy to oblige.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:07 pm to alarose20
If you go back and read the post, it was never more than a question. I never accused anyone of anything. Only suggested it looked bad. Thats all. Someone can delete if they want.
You guys are obviously doing very well and I'm sure you will continue to grow. There really isn't a whole you anyone can do to stop cheating. It sucks even more when cheating get publicized. I should have known better than to even mention it.
You guys are obviously doing very well and I'm sure you will continue to grow. There really isn't a whole you anyone can do to stop cheating. It sucks even more when cheating get publicized. I should have known better than to even mention it.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:14 pm to HotKoolaid
You're fine. I know TD can get a little hellish at times, and it's hard to decipher what's someone's true opinion about something, or someone just ragging everyone else b/c it's a forum.
The sport is not for everyone, and it's not as easy as it might appear. I got into it b/c I didn't want to spend the money for a full on boat. Eventually I'm sure I'll have one, just not now. Since then however, it's grown on me, and there's been many a situation where I've been happy to have it.
Our club's a good one. And the majority of it's members, and also non members who fish our tournaments are good people. But every group has it's bad eggs. And he isn't the only one I'm sure and he won't be the last. We learn and we evolve, and we move on.
Seriously though, not trying to kill the thread, just want to be available if anyone has anything they feel wasn't clarified from the FB page.
Thanks again!
The sport is not for everyone, and it's not as easy as it might appear. I got into it b/c I didn't want to spend the money for a full on boat. Eventually I'm sure I'll have one, just not now. Since then however, it's grown on me, and there's been many a situation where I've been happy to have it.
Our club's a good one. And the majority of it's members, and also non members who fish our tournaments are good people. But every group has it's bad eggs. And he isn't the only one I'm sure and he won't be the last. We learn and we evolve, and we move on.
Seriously though, not trying to kill the thread, just want to be available if anyone has anything they feel wasn't clarified from the FB page.
Thanks again!
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:24 pm to Uncle JackD
yall got us confused with kayakers that don’t bring a fishing pole, like comparing “Feel the Bern” to “make America great again”.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:26 pm to reds on reds on reds
His business pages are on instagram and FB still but I believe he deleted his personal
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