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re: Lets have a best side arm contest.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:47 pm to Bleeding purple
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:47 pm to Bleeding purple
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so does this guy
Uh oh. He broke the 2 biggest 1911 rules:
Chambered in 9mm
Accessory rail
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Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:47 pm to Timmayy
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surgical MDs say it's the penetration in a handgun reaching vital organs that is what causes damage. Everything else is just ill informed opinion.
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Physics don't add up there
What is funny about this is I was supporting your argument for capacity and advantages of a non 1911 over 1911's in several instances and you continue to argue only digging yourself a deeper hole.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:52 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Because the ballistic gelatin is a poor representation of actual depth of penetration in the human body. It is just a nut of measure we use to across the bord compare ammo ballistics. 12" of penetration in gel does not equate to 12" of penetration in bones and flesh.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 4:53 pm to Bleeding purple
Also refer to edited post on physics don't add up
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:05 pm to Timmayy
Huh???
I don't know the numbers but it very well could add up. A .45acp could easily have a lower peak recoil impulse than a hot 9mm depending on how quickly the bullet accelerates. It's not uncommon for larger slower stuff to be easier to shoot than smaller faster stuff. Mvsquared and all that shite.
I don't know the numbers but it very well could add up. A .45acp could easily have a lower peak recoil impulse than a hot 9mm depending on how quickly the bullet accelerates. It's not uncommon for larger slower stuff to be easier to shoot than smaller faster stuff. Mvsquared and all that shite.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:16 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
You generally have to go to the opposite ends of the spectrum to find that. And it's not really all that simple either. I made an oversimplified statement to make a point.
Compare many 40 or 9mm rounds and find that their muzzle energies are pretty similar but one recoils vastly different
Compare many 40 or 9mm rounds and find that their muzzle energies are pretty similar but one recoils vastly different
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:22 pm to Timmayy
I'm confused. How do the physics of a .45 being easier to shoot fast than a 9mm not add up?
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:30 pm to Timmayy
Two things.
Bleeding purple is a medical doctor who shoots/cleans enough pigs to know what he's talking about.
The recoil impulse on a .45 is not a sharp recoil pulse like that from a 9mm or a .40
Bleeding purple is a medical doctor who shoots/cleans enough pigs to know what he's talking about.
The recoil impulse on a .45 is not a sharp recoil pulse like that from a 9mm or a .40
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:34 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
230gr federal hst muzzle velocity 890 ft/s muzzle energy 404 ft/lbs
124gr hst +p muzzle velocity 1150 ft/s
Muszzle energy 364 ft/lbs
That's how. Generally 45s have more muzzle energy which is one of the better indicators of recoil. It doesn't seem to be exact as a lot of recoil can be subjective but that's how the physics don't add up that a 45 would recoil less
124gr hst +p muzzle velocity 1150 ft/s
Muszzle energy 364 ft/lbs
That's how. Generally 45s have more muzzle energy which is one of the better indicators of recoil. It doesn't seem to be exact as a lot of recoil can be subjective but that's how the physics don't add up that a 45 would recoil less
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:40 pm to Timmayy
The .45 could easily be the softer shooter there. The total amount of energy transferred to the shooter will unquestionably be more for the .45, but the peak force transmitted could easily be lower. Aren't there pressure curves available out there from SAMMI or something? That's what I'd look at if I had to quickly determine this on paper.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:43 pm to Timmayy
Weight is usually the deciding factor in handgun recoil. For example a pocket 9mm has more felt recoil than your standard 5" 1911 in my opinion.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:56 pm to texag7
It's a major factor but pressure of the round has just as much a factor
.40 is a high pressure round
.40 is a high pressure round
Posted on 6/5/17 at 5:58 pm to bbvdd
Walther PPK is the sexiest pistola of all time, right next to the 1911. Screw reliability, i want to look like James Bond.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:38 pm to bbvdd
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Only looking at semi's
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No .22s.
no fair
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:45 pm to Carson123987
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True. It's 2017, not 2001
Just because HK moved into the striker fired, cheaper, market doesn't imply their hammer fired weapons are out of date.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:17 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Agreed on the recoil.
Hotter 10mm and 9mm rounds tend to have more lateral torque than .45
In my experience, a .45 has a softer felt recoil in similarly sized handguns.
Hotter 10mm and 9mm rounds tend to have more lateral torque than .45
In my experience, a .45 has a softer felt recoil in similarly sized handguns.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:51 pm to bbvdd
P226 and it isn't even close. Only the G17 is remotely in the conversation.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:55 pm to Ace Midnight
I'd think the beretta M9 would be in the conversation just by virtue of serving as the standard issue sidearm for so long.
As far as semi autos go, 1911 wins for me.
As far as semi autos go, 1911 wins for me.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:16 pm to Gaston
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Just because HK moved into the striker fired,
My comment has nothing to do with HK releasing striker-fired offerings. It has everything to do with the bevy of quality striker-fired guns available at reasonable prices and the steadily decreasing number of DA/SA guns being released/produced. The gun community has largely moved on from shite like safeties, decockers, and 2 trigger pulls. HK had to pivot into the new market or get left in the dust. Their hammer fired guns are still fine weapons, but they don't sell.
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cheaper
Why is this a knock? Like we said, almost nobody that shoots a P30 and a VP9 together will choose the P30. The VP9 is $250 cheaper, so why is that a bad thing? Higher price doesn't always equal better.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:57 pm to Carson123987
Here are some SAAMI pressure specs
9mm 35,000
.40 S&W 35,000
.38 special 17,000
.45acp 21,000
10mm 37,500
.357mag 35,000
.44mag 36,000
9mm 35,000
.40 S&W 35,000
.38 special 17,000
.45acp 21,000
10mm 37,500
.357mag 35,000
.44mag 36,000
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