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re: It's time to ban dog deer hunting
Posted on 11/27/12 at 7:57 am to Monticello
Posted on 11/27/12 at 7:57 am to Monticello
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The only people who get to hunt near dog hunters are dog hunters.
Dude, dogs don't bother deer near as much as you think. I saw this thread last night and wanted to call you a dick after the first page. It was late and I felt I needed to read the entire thread before I commented. So I got to work this morning, poured a man-sized cup of cowboy coffee and read the whole thing.
My initial opinion of you is confirmed. Not because you dislike trespassers, but because you are too fricking ignorant to realize that the entire world isn't like rural Alabama. Not all dog hunters are outlaws, thieves, trespassers, or drunks. Just as all people from Alabama aren't inbred teabaggers.
And your deer aren't going nocturnal because of the dog hunters. It's likely because of all the increased pressure on deer once rifle season starts that happens on 90% of everyone's property. Once rifle season starts the amount of traffic on rural roads, 4-wheeler noise, people talking in the woods, and all the other things which cause deer to become more reclusive go up 10x.
For the record, I don't dog hunt. I hunt in Franklin County, Mississippi 75% of the time, where my lease is surrounded on 3 sides by dog hunters. Like I said, they don't bother deer as much as you think. Don't blame your inability to kill deer on another lawfully abiding hunter's choice of method.
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 7:58 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
No. You're missing the point.
Your only argument is that you can't control your dogs. You wouldn't have very many or any if your hunt bordered my hunting property. If you can't control your animal, others not only will, they should be allowed to. Your animal, on my property is a wild animal running free, and you lose your ownership of it at that point and will be mine to do what I will.
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No. frick that. Deer are wild and you do not own them no matter how many bazillions of dollars you invest in your property unless you put a fence around it and buy the deer and put them there.
Your only argument is that you can't control your dogs. You wouldn't have very many or any if your hunt bordered my hunting property. If you can't control your animal, others not only will, they should be allowed to. Your animal, on my property is a wild animal running free, and you lose your ownership of it at that point and will be mine to do what I will.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:02 am to tenfoe
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Dude, dogs don't bother deer near as much as you think
bullshite
I'll give you 2 examples.
1) My parents property is surrounded by Kisatchie National Forest. We have some deer on the property, but come dog season, the property is overrun with deer.
2) My old lease allowed dog hunting, the lease across the road did not allow dog hunting. Same size leases, same number of members, etc. On average, our members would see 1 deer every other hunt. My brother was on the other lease, and they would see upwards of 10+ every hunt. My old lease would run dogs all year round for "practice" or for hogs, or for foxes. They ran all the goddamn deer off the property.
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Not all dog hunters are outlaws, thieves, trespassers, or drunks.
Not all, but they most certainly are a higher percentage than other hunters
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:03 am to Alahunter
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Your only argument is that you can't control your dogs.
Please go back and find where I said that I can't control my dogs. Quit making up arguments for me.
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No. You're missing the point
No, you did. The point is that if dogs are running deer through the woods and people are hunting there, they would be illegally hunting if dog hunting was banned. Guess what. If the deer cross over onto your property while you're hunting, YOU are no participating in an illegal activity. You have no more ground to stand on than your neighbors. What will you say? I didn't put those dogs here, they did. GUess what they will say? The same thing. Nobody gets in trouble because there's no way to prove anything.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:04 am to Salmon
Hunting pressure and the effect of a dog chasing a deer are two separate things.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:04 am to Alahunter
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Your animal, on my property is a wild animal running free, and you lose your ownership of it at that point and will be mine to do what I will.
I prefer this method of handling the problem then crying and wanting any type of hunting banned. Its a bad thing to do, but if they wont keep them off your property, its yours/mine and you or I should be a man and handle it. Not go crying to public officials ( or the interzweb) to make another law and ban any type of hunting. It could open the door to other bans and I cant stand that thought.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:05 am to tenfoe
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Dude, dogs don't bother deer near as much as you think
I'm gonna disagree with you. Having hunted in both types of clubs, there is a huge difference imo. Deer aren't nearly as spooked in a stalk only club, as opposed to deer in a dog hunting club. Not to mention the amount of deer I saw and killed in comparison to the two. The dog club I was in, was in a more fertile deer hunting area, but I've seen and killed way more in the one I hunt now.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:06 am to tenfoe
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Hunting pressure and the effect of a dog chasing a deer are two separate things.
ok
have you seen most dog hunts? it involves multiple people, multiple dogs, lots of driving etc. In other words, it creates a shite load of pressure. A lot more so than I guy sitting in a stand.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:08 am to Langston
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prefer this method of handling the problem then crying and wanting any type of hunting banned. Its a bad thing to do, but if they wont keep them off your property, its yours/mine and you or I should be a man and handle it. Not go crying to public officials ( or the interzweb) to make another law and ban any type of hunting. It could open the door to other bans and I cant stand that thought
As do I. That's why I'd like deer covered under the livestock law. If they're threatened on your property you can legally shoot them. You don't face consequences for protecting your hunt, and your investement. And if dog hunters lose enough dogs, they'll start hunting more responsibly or move on to another area.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:09 am to Alahunter
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The dog club I was in, was in a more fertile deer hunting area, but I've seen and killed way more in the one I hunt now.
Obviously it wasn't since you killed less deer on it. You can't just attribute killing less deer to dogs being run there.
I'll have to go back and check, but we actually kill more deer still hunting once we turn a few hounds loose. I'll have to make a spreadsheet out of this shite. Get some trends and hard data and show you people that your emotions get in the way of hard evidence.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:09 am to Salmon
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1) My parents property is surrounded by Kisatchie National Forest. We have some deer on the property, but come dog season, the property is overrun with deer.
I thought they banned it in Kisatchie? Either way, it was only allowed for a week or two, and I would bet that they are pushed there from other forms of pressure by the influx of public land hunters. If not, you would only have more deer for the week or two they ran dogs.
I know they push deer. We have land on Bayou boeuf that is surrounded by Kisatchie and I like it when they use to run dogs. Those deer were coming out of the hills and heading for the swamp on the north side of the bayou. We always killed deer in front of there dogs, or the next day slipping back.
Ive also seen over and over again, when they get run by dogs, they go back to where they came from very soon.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:10 am to Alahunter
No. You cannot own a wild animal. You can invest 25 trillion dollars in your property, and that still does not give you the right to call anything with 4 legs on it yours.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:10 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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You can't just attribute killing less deer to dogs being run there.
I can, and did
Like I said, my old lease and my brothers lease were mirror leases. The only difference were my old lease ran dogs all year, his lease did not allow dogs.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:13 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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No. You cannot own a wild animal. You can invest 25 trillion dollars in your property, and that still does not give you the right to call anything with 4 legs on it yours.
I hear what your saying but I don't agree with you. If I own the property I own everything on it...............allthe bugs, worms, dillos, possums, coons, deer, rabbits ducks, yotes, ducks geese, squatchs.........EVERYTHING
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:13 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Obviously it wasn't since you killed less deer on it. You can't just attribute killing less deer to dogs being run there.
The dog owners always seemed to kill the hell out of deer there. If you were a stander or stalk hunter, you were shite out of luck. You could get out of a vehicle, and hear deer crashing and hauling arse before you could even get the door closed in that club. The pressure on those deer, by the dogs made hunting nearly impossible by stalk or stand.
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I'll have to go back and check, but we actually kill more deer still hunting once we turn a few hounds loose. I'll have to make a spreadsheet out of this shite. Get some trends and hard data and show you people that your emotions get in the way of hard evidence
No emotions here. I love dogs. I love hunting. I have no problem with folks that want to hunt with dogs. But be responsible. Keep them off my property or they're dead. It's as simple as that. And if you were responsible, you wouldn't have a problem with including deer in the livestock law. Being opposed to it, only shows that you can't or refuse to keep your dogs under control and that you have no problem with your dogs running deer off my land for you to shoot.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:16 am to Salmon
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Not all dog hunters are outlaws, thieves, trespassers, or drunks.
Not all, but they most certainly are a higher percentage than other hunters
Sorry, but I agree.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:16 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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show you people that your emotions get in the way of hard evidence.
if anyone is letting their emotions control them, it is the posters supporting dog hunting. Instead of opening their eyes and admitting that their style of hunting affects land and hunters not only on their property, but the surrounding properties as well, they just emotionally attach themselves to their traditions, and refuse to see the other side.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 8:18 am
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:16 am to Alahunter
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Being opposed to it, only shows that you can't or refuse to keep your dogs under control and that you have no problem with your dogs running deer off my land for you to shoot.
No. It shows that I have a fundamental problem with people thinking that the amount of money they invest in property gives them the right to call the animals on it theirs.
You can already shoot dogs on your property. You are just looking for an excuse to call the deer yours. You going to start branding them and fining the neighbor when he shoots one of "your" deer.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:16 am to OldSouth
Holy shite this thread more than doubled since I looked at it last night
Posted on 11/27/12 at 8:18 am to Salmon
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they just emotionally attach themselves to their traditions, and refuse to see the other side.
Did you read where I said 5 million times that I hate the people running all over other people's shite and giving me a bad name??????
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