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re: It's time to ban dog deer hunting
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:44 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:44 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Yall need to read this guy's posts. He hunts somewhere that already has a dog ban. He isn't saying what yall want to hear.
We get it. Banning dog hunting would not eliminate all our problems. But it would damn sure get rid of most of the problem and at least provide some legal help to property owners who do not want dogs on our land.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:44 pm to Clyde Tipton
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You keep missing my point some how.
No, you're missing mine. No ban on dog hunting is going to stop them from fricking with your property. They're still going to turn dogs loose and do all the shite you're talking about. It might make you feel better, but it won't change anything.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:45 pm to Monticello
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But it would damn sure get rid of most of the problem
It sounds to me like most of the problem involves people who are already breaking laws.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:49 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Does banning night hunting get rid of all the thugs who ride fields all night with spotlights? No. But it makes it pretty damn difficult for those that choose to break the law and gives stiff enough consequences that the vast majority of people are deterred by the law. Banning dog hunting would do the same, making my hunt being ruined by dogs every weekend the exception rather than the norm.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:51 pm to Monticello
Comparing dog hunting to spot lighting is comparing apples to diesel trucks.
If a game warden catches you in a field at night with a q-beam, a loaded rifle, and a dead deer, that's gonna be pretty tough to get out of.
However, if a game warden catches you in the woods with a rifle while some stray dogs are running around, he's not going to be able to do much. If he can do anything to that guy, than technically he can also do something to you for being in the woods while stray dogs are running around, whether you put them there or not.
If a game warden catches you in a field at night with a q-beam, a loaded rifle, and a dead deer, that's gonna be pretty tough to get out of.
However, if a game warden catches you in the woods with a rifle while some stray dogs are running around, he's not going to be able to do much. If he can do anything to that guy, than technically he can also do something to you for being in the woods while stray dogs are running around, whether you put them there or not.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:52 pm to Monticello
Perfect analogy and spot on, couldn't agree more.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:53 pm to WmWallace
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Perfect analogy and spot on
It's a horrible analogy. Getting away with running dogs would be incredibly easy. Getting away with spotlighting is not.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:56 pm to Clyde Tipton
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If they were to ban the activity I wouldn't feel bad though. I'd actually sleep a little better at night.
I'm kind of surprised that yall don't have the same problem that we do with the unethical "hunters" turning loose stray dogs during deer season and then riding the roads listening for dogs running the deer down there where deer doggin is legal? I understand your point, though. My experience for over a quarter of a century so far is that these scum are still gonna hunt on, beside of, or anywhere near your land if these stray dogs are pushing deer, whether deer dogging is legal or not. All a deer dogging ban accomplishes is putting a stop to the ethical deer dogger's hunting. Kind of like handgun bans. All they do is put a stop to the law abiding citizen from having a handgun. I would be in favor of having to have a minimum amount of acreage available before you can dog hunt. 600 acres is one square mile. And even that amount isn't nearly enough if you're runnin Walkers.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 10:58 pm to Monticello
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Does banning night hunting get rid of all the thugs who ride fields all night with spotlights? No. But it makes it pretty damn difficult for those that choose to break the law and gives stiff enough consequences that the vast majority of people are deterred by the law. Banning dog hunting would do the same, making my hunt being ruined by dogs every weekend the exception rather than the norm.
That's a bad analogy, and incorrect. Spotlighting is a way bigger problem where I'm from than running dogs could ever hope to be. You're getting real close to the 'let's ban all guns so we won't have as much crime' train of thought.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:03 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Would welcome the opportunity to worry about hunters with non collared dogs hunting in our area. As mentioned earlier the locals (and the wardens) know who are coming in for hunting season and it wouldn't be too tough to quell their illegal activity..at the least would be a big improvement
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:04 pm to WmWallace
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Would welcome the opportunity to worry about hunters with non collared dogs hunting in our area
You sure about that? You might start having dogs during bow season.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:06 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Still better than the present situation.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:08 pm to WmWallace
In what way? You still have everything you currently have, except you'll be dealing with it for longer spans of hunting season.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:13 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Would welcome the opportunity to worry about hunters with non collared dogs hunting in our area
You sure about that? You might start having dogs during bow season.
That's interesting. Had to put down the first stray this year sometime during the last week of September. (Can't remember now exactly the day, but it was on a weekday before the granddaughters got off the school bus.) Guess when bow season opened up here this year? October 6
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:14 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Tougher consequences.. and I simply disagree we would dealing with it for longer periods of time..just my opinion
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:16 pm to WmWallace
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I simply disagree we would dealing with it for longer periods of time
I can respect that, but I think you have a case of wishful thinking.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:20 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I hear you Down but I wish you could see the trash my family has to deal with..I seriously worry about my parents when I'm in BR and if you can't empathize with that I'm sorry I'm not giving enough examples. Maybe it's just this area and I hope you get to keep doing your thing in La.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:21 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
This is one of those things where the ethical dog hunters had best propose a solution before the dumbasses kneejerk to the legislature for a ban.
I think a smart solution would be somehow, if you intend to hunt with a dog, you must mark it both visually and with an RFID tag, possibly registered with Wildlife and Fisheries. That way you can't say that's not your dog and you can only hunt with a registered dog.
This would do a couple of things. One, you could come up with a system like the guy was talking about earlier where if your dogs get caught on someone elses land, you get a progressive fine if it's turned in to law enforcement. And TWO, the hunter could have a measure of safety for both his dog and show he's trying to comply with the law as an ethical hunter.
No that wouldn't solve it. But if they got fined every time their dog got caught by someone other than them with that getting progressively worse every time, I'm thinking they'd find a place where that's not as likely to happen.
Because if this thread is any indication, the whole thing is going to be banned soon. We all hunt and this many people want it gone, and you know what the liberals want, that's it, it's toast.
Unfortunately, dog hunters are not normally the type to be proactive about this shite. Say what you will, but the view of them mostly being outlaws... that's earned.
I think a smart solution would be somehow, if you intend to hunt with a dog, you must mark it both visually and with an RFID tag, possibly registered with Wildlife and Fisheries. That way you can't say that's not your dog and you can only hunt with a registered dog.
This would do a couple of things. One, you could come up with a system like the guy was talking about earlier where if your dogs get caught on someone elses land, you get a progressive fine if it's turned in to law enforcement. And TWO, the hunter could have a measure of safety for both his dog and show he's trying to comply with the law as an ethical hunter.
No that wouldn't solve it. But if they got fined every time their dog got caught by someone other than them with that getting progressively worse every time, I'm thinking they'd find a place where that's not as likely to happen.
Because if this thread is any indication, the whole thing is going to be banned soon. We all hunt and this many people want it gone, and you know what the liberals want, that's it, it's toast.
Unfortunately, dog hunters are not normally the type to be proactive about this shite. Say what you will, but the view of them mostly being outlaws... that's earned.
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:23 pm to WmWallace
You really think they will stop being dumb sorry trash because you make dog hunting illegal?
Posted on 11/26/12 at 11:23 pm to WmWallace
Of course I can sympathize with the amount of bullshite you have to deal with. It's just that they will continue to be a pain in your arse no matter what you do.
I say this pretty often in response to lots of different things, the only effective solution is to outlaw being stupid.
I say this pretty often in response to lots of different things, the only effective solution is to outlaw being stupid.
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