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Posted on 3/19/12 at 1:58 pm to Boats n Hose
While I dont agree with shooting a bird that was thrown into the air, hunting pen raised birds seems acceptable to me. If the birds wont fly then its just sad. So all you ethical hunters hate on spot lighting too?
Posted on 3/19/12 at 1:58 pm to Blue Velvet
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You may not have to throw them but the birds were not born wild in that environment and will not be the same. I've hunted quail numerous times in LA and I love it and will be doing it next month. However, it is nothing like quail in Texas and the coveys do not flush the same. There's nothing wrong with that at all. But to say it is equivalent is untrue. I do it to train my dogs for Texas hunts and I enjoy cooking the meat later (like colorado said, it's certainly still a clean kill). That being said, I still wouldn't call it hunting; it's practice. For the record, I've had to kick up a few coveys with my feet to make them flush. I've also had a few fly to my truck and hide under it. This happened at different establishments.
damn, when are you gonna invite me out there?
sounds so baller
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:00 pm to 4X4DEMON
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. So all you ethical hunters hate on spot lighting too?
spot lighting for?
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I call it shooting.
I also call hunting deer on a food plot where 20 deer pop out every evening shooting :ducks:
I also call hunting deer on a food plot where 20 deer pop out every evening shooting :ducks:
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Agree. The original question was whether it was "hunting" or not. I wouldn't call it hunting.
Okay. Given that a large part of "hunting" is actually finding the game, you could make an argument that if you go out with a top notch guide on an elk hunt, far away from your home, or shite... even on a lion safari, its not "hunting". And of course, if its a bumper year for quail or ducks or overpopulation of deer... its not really "hunting" either, I suppose.
I get what you guys are saying. And I agree to an extent. I guess I was just reading a lot of "poor little birds, whats the matter with you mean and lazy hunters" into some of the criticism in this thread.
This post was edited on 3/19/12 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:02 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I also call hunting deer on a food plot where 20 deer pop out every evening shooting
same as shooting a deer in front of a dog
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:02 pm to Whiskey Richard
quote:"Hey guys, wanna go on a skeet hunt?"
"Hey guys, wanna go on a pen raised quail hunt?"
quote:I mean, you still have to shoot the birds.
I mean, you still have to hunt the birds.
quote:Neither do skeet
They dont have strings on their feet
quote:They usually flush when you're less than 10 yards away; they don't need to be orange.
they arent spray painted orange
quote:I'm assuming you meant "don't come", in which case, neither do the ducks inside Bass Pro Shops.
They also do come to you when you call them.
quote:apparently
I have never paid for a hunt
quote:You don't know what you're talking about. Not being a pet doesn't mean you're wild. Are they completely domestic? No. Are they completely wild? No.
but i have seen enough of them to know those birds are about as wild as any other bird
quote:They usually die after the first rain so that's pretty frequent in LA.
Especially after being in the field for a few days
quote:It is in no way unethical.
Im not saying its the most ethical hunting
quote:
or that you are hunting "game"
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:03 pm to Salmon
To each his own. Ive done both and i call one of them hunting and one of them shooting.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Agree. The original question was whether it was "hunting" or not. I wouldn't call it hunting.
Throw birds up to shoot definately isn't hunting, but the guys definately hunted the birds right after they were put out.
I think the OP came in here much like Rex did, and just wanted to troll.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:04 pm to coloradoBengal
quote:
I get what you guys are saying. And I agree to an extent. I guess I was just reading a lot of "poor little birds, whats the matter with you mean hunters" into some of the criticism in this thread.
I skipped through a few posts, must have missed those. I think hunting constitutes the sporting side of shooting game, and after reading this thread, I suppose some people define sporting in much different ways.
This post was edited on 3/19/12 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:05 pm to 4X4DEMON
quote:Everyone here agrees.
While I dont agree with shooting a bird that was thrown into the air, hunting pen raised birds seems acceptable to me. If the birds wont fly then its just sad.
quote:It has nothing to do with ethics. There is nothing unethical about pen raised quail.
So all you ethical hunters hate on spot lighting too?
quote:A different can of worms.
spot lighting
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:05 pm to Salmon
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spot lighting for?
I was referring to deer, but was merely joking
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Question to all:
It may not technically be hunting. I understand that argument.
But how does this "give hunters a bad name" in any way? What kind of "bad name"? A lazy one? Or an "unethical" one in some way?
It may not technically be hunting. I understand that argument.
But how does this "give hunters a bad name" in any way? What kind of "bad name"? A lazy one? Or an "unethical" one in some way?
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:08 pm to coloradoBengal
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But how does this "give hunters a bad name" in any way?
Seriously? You can't fathom how tossing birds into the air, then having some guy shoot them might be viewed negatively by the general public?
This post was edited on 3/19/12 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:09 pm to 4X4DEMON
quote:
spot lighting for?
coons?
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:09 pm to coloradoBengal
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But how does this "give hunters a bad name" in any way? What kind of "bad name"? A lazy one? Or an "unethical" one in some way?
Hunters have been having to defend their sport in the courts of public opinion for years, and someone calling that "hunting" doesn't help. You know as well as I do, that idiot voters can put people in power to restrict anything, and negative PR, which this definitely is, can't help.
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:09 pm to Salmon
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Seriously? You can't fathom how tossing birds into the air, then having some guy shoot them might be viewed negatively by the general public?
Kind of like clubbing baby seals
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:10 pm to Salmon
quote:
Seriously? You can't fathom how tossing birds into the air, then having some guy shoot them might be viewed negatively by the general public?
Ever seen a pigeon shoot?
Posted on 3/19/12 at 2:11 pm to Salmon
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Seriously? You can't fathom how tossing birds into the air, then having some guy shoot them might be viewed negatively by the general public?
Honestly? Not really. Unless the general public is against killing animals for food in general.
I really don't get the outrage unless the person is disconnected from where food comes from overall.
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