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re: Is it too early to start discussing yard maintenence for 2017 yet?

Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:14 pm to
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57434 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:14 pm to
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Whats going on in here?
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start discussing yard maintenance for 2017
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5335 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:35 pm to
Well, for those that applied pre-emergent in the late fall, you shouldn't be battling Poa, broadleaves, etc.

If you did not, it's time to start treating the rampant winter broadleaves. Any three-way (Trimec, WeedFreeZone) or four-way (SpeedZone) herbicide will be more effective than 2,4-D alone. Use atrazine/simazine products to take out the Poa (annual bluegrass), or just wait and let the spring warm-up do it for you.

Apply Greenlight Crabgrass Preventer;
Sta-Green Crab-ex, Greenlight
Crabgrass Preventer 2, Hi-Yield
Dimension; Scott’s Halts; Balan, Barricade... now through the end of Feb for crabgrass and goosegrass prevention.

Soil samples should determine the need to begin applications of gypsum, lime, potash, etc..

It is time to kill weeds, not feed.

Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13511 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:02 pm to


What are your thoughts on thatch. How can I determine if I need to de thatch?

Also what is your thoughts on the first cut after the dormant stage. I cut high and leave high through winter. Should I do a much lower cut to get out some of the dead blades? My back yard is greening up fast and growing the front is mostly brown still.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28502 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:18 pm to
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bootlegger


Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57434 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:47 pm to
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Apply Greenlight Crabgrass Preventer;
Sta-Green Crab-ex, Greenlight
Crabgrass Preventer 2, Hi-Yield
Dimension; Scott’s Halts; Balan, Barricade... now through the end of Feb for crabgrass and goosegrass prevention.
apply all of these? or just pick one.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 3:48 pm
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13511 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:48 pm to
Pretty sure just one...they are all different types of crab grass preventer.
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5335 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 9:50 pm to
Pick one. I like to give options for those that don't have an applicator's license to buy restricted chemicals.

As far as thatch, it's not something most of you will have issues with. It contributes N to the soil, and aids in soil water retention. If you can physically feel "sponginess" on the lawn, you may need to de-thatch. If you question it, try to measure the thickness of the thatch layer. You can get away with up to 1/2 - 3/4" of thatch before adverse effects set in.
(If you have Centipede, consider 1/2" your max. I can further explain if needed.)


Cutting high in the winter gives the roots a layer of insulation from freezing temps. I'm not convinced we are out of the woods as far as cold temps go, so I would be hesitant to scalp down any turf just yet. On my Bermuda sports fields, I adhere to a 3 & 150 as my benchmark for considering it as actively growing: 3 consecutive days of the daytime high and nighttime low adding up to 150 degrees Fahrenheit.
But yes, start low on the first cut of the spring, and after that follow the one-third rule: never cut off more than one third of the grass blades in a single cutting.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 10:02 pm
Posted by Redfish2010
Member since Jul 2007
15169 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 6:36 am to
Any tips for filling in low spots in the yard?
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 6:37 am
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5335 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 7:01 am to
Mason sand, or "fill" sand if you don't mind small pebbles. Add an inch or so at a time, letting the grass grow through some with each layer (so you don't smother it). Bad deep spots, like an old stump hole, can be filled with topsoil. Use sand to finish off as the dirt settles.
Posted by Citica8
Duckroost, LA
Member since Dec 2012
3665 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 9:07 am to
I sprayed some weed free zone then aerated and dethatched with just a rake (do not recommend) in the fall a few weeks later. I hate Virginia buttonweed covering about 2/3 of my back yard and the combo of herbicide and dethatching removed most of the visible Virginia button weed. A few days later I planted some rye grass to keep the dog and kid from tearing up my yard. Back yard looks great right now.

I'll be aerating a possbily dethatching again this spring before aerating and then sanding and spreading some more seeds hoping they take.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
TD Platinum Member
Member since Feb 2006
58328 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:37 am to
Have a few areas that are low and full of weeds. Will spray WFZ today and let it do work. Planning on filling them in with sand and/or may be seeding as the weeds choked out what was left of the grass.

I'll admit this is my fault as I did nothing in the spring with a new baby and let the yard have at itself. Surprisingly though, only the low spot and areas without a lot of sun were taken over. The majority of the yard held its own without any assistance.

I also have an area where I moved a lot of dirt and will need to spread some seeds there.

When is the appropriate time to seed?
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5335 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 11:40 am to
Soil temps need to be at least in the upper 60s and steady to plant seed. Newly planted seed requires light but frequent applications of water to keep the seedlings moist without washing away. Reduce watering as the second and third leaves become visible.

With sod, water less each week until the sod is considered established, which is after the third week. After that, it’s water as needed.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28502 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 4:31 pm to
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WFZ


Safe on Bermuda and Centipede? Should it be done with different applications?

Is this a spot treatment kinda thing, or do you just put it on the hose?
Posted by bootlegger
Ponchatoula
Member since Dec 2012
5335 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 5:40 pm to
WeedFreeZone (a less potent version of Trimec) is a selective broadleaf herbicide. So naturally something with a wider leaf like Centipede will be more sensitive to it than a fine leaf like Bermuda. So, yes, the application rates are different.

I'm not certain it comes on a hose-end type sprayer. I know the concentrate can be found at most hardware type stores.

Spot treatment or broadcast treatment really depends on how widespread your weed infestation is. Small patches of clover are easily spot treated, but large areas of lespedeza would need broadcast treatment. It's really up to you.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 5:41 pm
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28502 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 5:43 pm to
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It's really up to you.


Well. Thats not a good thing.
Posted by Rossberg02
Member since Jun 2016
2591 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:19 pm to
Can any baws tell me when would be the best time to seed for Bermuda? I'm trying to repair spots from the flood debris sitting on the lawn.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28502 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:36 pm to
Can anyone comment on these shrubs? Thinking of replacing my sagos with them...but need info first.

Posted by bonstonker
Member since Jan 2008
231 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 6:42 pm to
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best time to seed for Bermuda


wait till the lows are above 65 and highs in 80's

or you could get one of these

LINK

i used this for centipede on my front lawn,and used the grass along the fence line to go in the front.

going to use this to accelerate my backyard bermuda conversion.
Posted by nogoodjr
Member since Feb 2006
797 posts
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:41 pm to
If you have St. Augustine I would recommend the following.

Early to mid march while grass is still somewhat dormant, cut it low. Actually scalp it some. This will give you access to de-thatch. Next dethatch it with rake or mower attachment until soil is slightly disturbed. Bag all debris removed. Next fertilize with 13.13.13. Wait 30-45 days and fertilize again. Every couple weeks raise your blades another notch. By the heat of the summer you want your blades cutting as high as possible. This provides max shade for the soil and helps hold moisture longer. Also the taller grass blades hide and choke out weeds. Best deterrent for weeds is healthy grass.
Posted by new92
Middleburg, FL
Member since Feb 2009
595 posts
Posted on 3/8/17 at 2:58 pm to
What's best way to dethatch St augustine? I've seen multiple things online and some of it conflicts. I bought a mower blade (push mower) with these plastic teeth that hang down last year but didn't use it because I read after that it wouldn't work for St Aug which on the reviews it said it was good for it lol

Not looking forward to doing it by hand but if I have to I have to I guess. Yard is 15 years old and in decent shape but it could be better. Does have some areas of thick thatch
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