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re: I’m planning on Kayaking the entire Texas coast - Update 2.0 bot. Pg. 6 - Hoist the sail!

Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:48 pm to
Posted by G2160
houston
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:48 pm to
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Day 1 - Rio Grande to just north of SPI (where the town is) Edwin King Atwood park area - 20 miles
2 - to Port Mansfield area - 25miles
3 - to north side of Laguna Madre - 20 Miles
4 - to just south of Baffin Bay - 25 miles
5 - to Mustang Island right off SPID (I have a place to stay/ restock) - 30 miles
6 - to Port A area - 20 miles
7 - to Rockport (hang out with TxWadingFool??) - 10 miles
8 - to San Antonio Bay - 20 miles


6 days in and staring aransas in the face…oof.

Plan on taking south shoreline from mud island -> spaulding bight -> mesquite bay -> Panther reef -> south pass -> espiritu santo -> west matagorda if you can to stay out of the wind. You’re a long ways from civilization along this route though.
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Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:59 pm to
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Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 8/7/21 at 2:25 pm to
What boat you thinking about or do you already have one? What material?

How far have you ever been?

Ever done any extended self support of any type?

What paddle? what angle? what length? what material?

You doing both miles and fishing?

How much weight you figuring on?

Can you combat roll? (reliably as opposed to a pool roll)

Not trying to discourage, just immediate thoughts, to get you thinking.... keep posting
Posted by AustinAggie
Behind Enemy Lines
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 6:47 pm to
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What boat you thinking about


Im looking at three options in my area on CL (These aren’t the actual ones just quick images I found online)

A Wilderness Systems Tempest 16.5



or a Necky Tesla 17



or a Perception Shadow Sealion 17



quote:

How far have you ever been?


Like, 8 miles in a regular recreational kayak.

quote:

Ever done any extended self support of any type?


I’ve been camping with my dad and buddies before but I’m not sure if that is what you actually mean. But that’s 4 day weekend type stuff not 14 days.

quote:

What paddle? what angle? what length? what material?


No idea, I really don’t know all too much about paddles, but I figured low angle, carbon fiber and then a similar backup.

quote:

You doing both miles and fishing?


I’m planning on focusing on making good time and distance, fishing gear storage is kind of an issue on a touring kayak with everything else I’ll need. but I’ll probably try and find a way to take at least one rod if I can.

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How much weight you figuring on?


I’m 190. Don’t think I’ll need more than 60-70 lbs of gear, maybe I’m wrong. My big fear is drinking water weight.

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Can you combat roll?


I’ve never had to or practiced before but I’m confident I could. I’m reasonably fit and grew up on the water my whole life so I’m not too worried / scared. My big issue is I’ve never been in a touring specific kayak before so I’m sure it’s different / more difficult, especially in a bay. I figure once I get the kayak I just need to practice practice practice and get the confidence.

So yeah in summary, I don’t really know shite about anything. But the challenge / learning / experience is what makes this seem worth doing. I’m not getting younger and I probably won’t have time for something like this further down the road.



This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 6:49 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 9:36 pm to

Have you considered outriggers on the yak at all?
Posted by AustinAggie
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Member since Jul 2021
1466 posts
Posted on 8/18/21 at 9:37 pm to
How does the OB feel about adding a sail to my future Kayak? I’m torn on it. I kind of want one due to my inexperience with such distances but I also don’t want it to cheapen the feel of the experience by doing some of the work for me. I wouldn’t have it up all the time but it could be useful in helping make sure I adhere to a specific distance schedule.


Posted by AustinAggie
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/18/21 at 9:41 pm to
I actually talked to my BIL about outriggers the other day. Probably a good idea considering my experience level and some of the sketchier stretches of the trip.

Similarly with the sail, I’m a tad worried about making it too easy on myself. Also slightly worried about having a harder time potentially reselling the yak with a bunch of holes drilled in it too. I guess it’s always better to still be alive though.

Right now I’m mainly focused on getting the right Kayak first, but I’ll definitely keep outriggers in mind and keep the board updated. I’m hoping to have a kayak in my possession in about two weeks.

Edit - I just quickly checked YouTube and found some great DIY kayak outrigger vids made by some good ole baws … definitely strongly considering it now!
This post was edited on 8/18/21 at 9:54 pm
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22764 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 5:35 am to
I’ve done hundreds of miles backpacking with 10# of gear. Good lightweight tent(maybe hammock) sleeping pad, sleeping bad,

Just got a new stove from Amazon for $15. BSR and weighs maybe 1oz. Small pot to make ramen or freeze dried meals is less than $10.

I normally need less than 2# of food per day backpacking with freeze dried meals and bars. You will be hitting towns here and there where you can eat a ton and fill up.

Most people need 1 gallon of water a day. Also remember you may be using it to add to meals when cooking.

Inreach or spot device would be a good idea.

Sounds like a great adventure.
Posted by AustinAggie
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:56 am to
Thanks for your input, that definitely makes me worry a little less about potential weight issues. Figure I’ll take roughly 4-5 days of food / water at a time.

Does anyone have any suggestions for what should I do with my kayak when I need to stop at a town?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 10:04 am to
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But we were on a big boat with beer, water, and plenty of food.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37697 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 10:13 am to
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f this is a bad idea let me know,



This is a bad idea.


quote:

if there’s something I’m missing please tell me
.

A motor for starters.
Posted by AustinAggie
Behind Enemy Lines
Member since Jul 2021
1466 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 6:09 pm to
I was initially wanting to get the Tempest 16.5 but I watched a YT video suggesting it’s for smaller individuals … 100-150 lbs? Im skeptical that’s true, that seems ridiculous.

If that’s the case then I’m leaning towards getting the Perception 17 for $800 … but I could also get an older Necky 17 for $500.

Every other kayak in my area is absurdly priced for the build years I’m seeing listed.

I’m doing as much research as I can but if anyone here knows more about ideal touring kayak sizes please let me know. I’m 5’10”, 190 lbs, size 12 shoe if that helps.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:40 pm to
Probably a good idea to get you a lifestraw in case you get stuck by weather for a few days away from civilization.

Them nasty arse rain puddles could be turned into a huge saver.
Posted by TexasForever
Member since Jul 2021
2949 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 6:39 am to
Man I love this idea, it's exactly the kind of stuff I like to do. Are you dead set on doing the coast? I don't want to discourage you from doing it but I think this is going to be really tough. The distance is definitely doable but I think two weeks in the salt is really going to take a toll. Any given day you could start having some elbow or shoulder issues and then that puts your whole trip in jeopardy or makes it miserable.

I do about 20-40 miles a week on the Tennessee River (& tributaries) and love it but I am mainly fishing. I would highly recommend starting with a freshwater river like the Tennessee, it is lined by TVA land throughout and provides you with endless spots to set up camp. I have never looked into the logistics of a long trip on it but the two dams I have been up to would be easily passable (carrying around the dam) with a kayak. I feel like a trip like this would be a great tune up for the coast and would provide you with a lot of valuable experience.

I have a lot more thoughts on this but have to get some stuff done for work this morning. I will definitely type out a more thoughtful response this weekend.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23311 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 7:36 am to
quote:

Day 1 - Rio Grande to just north of SPI (where the town is) Edwin King Atwood park area - 20 miles
2 - to Port Mansfield area - 25miles
3 - to north side of Laguna Madre - 20 Miles
4 - to just south of Baffin Bay - 25 miles
5 - to Mustang Island right off SPID (I have a place to stay/ restock) - 30 miles
6 - to Port A area - 20 miles
7 - to Rockport (hang out with TxWadingFool??) - 10 miles
8 - to San Antonio Bay - 20 miles
9 - to Port O’Connor (cgrand’s camp area?) - 20 miles
10 - to beach on Matagorda Bay - 15 miles
11 - to Matagorda - 15 miles
12 - to eastern edge of Matagorda bay - 20 miles
13 - to Freeport - 25 miles
14 - to Jaimaica Beach - 25 miles
15 - to Galveston - 15 miles


This is way WAY too much for a first timer. Can it be done? Absolutely. But you need to plan for things like weather, rest days, etc. don’t plan only straight miles. Don’t cross bays directly if weather/ wind is bad. A lot of bays are very shallow so it’s not a big deal if weather is bad you can stand up worse case. I wouldn’t go outriggers for that reason. You don’t need to cross deep stretches in bad weather. Take your time and go around.

You need to but a kayak and put at least 2-3 days of 20+ miles in before you do any of this planning. This is insanity to plan any of this before you even have a kayak, know it a little, and travel with it weighted with gear.

ETA: I think you will be lucky to avg 3 miles per hour paddling. Probably closer to 1.8. So those 25 mile stretches are going to take you 10-15 hours of paddling not including stops for lunch and water and what not. In the winter those are long days.
This post was edited on 8/20/21 at 7:40 am
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
13189 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 8:19 am to
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No idea, I really don’t know all too much about paddles, but I figured low angle, carbon fiber and then a similar backup.


I'd highly suggest giving both of these a good look...

REI: How to Choose Kayak Paddles and How to Choose a Kayak Paddle (that will Make You Positively Giddy)

... even before buying the boat, although I'd suggest trying to rent/borrow a couple boats before buying any boat yet. Boat prices are definitely a consideration; however the wrong boat will doom you from the get go. Not to say a cheap boat won't do. Only that the wrong cheap boat will.

Keep posting
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 12:22 pm to
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A lot of bays are very shallow so it’s not a big deal if weather is bad you can stand up worse case. I wouldn’t go outriggers for that reason


Many of the setups are both telescopic and can be tipped up out of water in a locked position. IMO, he really needs a set but that's just me.
Posted by tigers win2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
3914 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 12:38 pm to
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If that’s the case then I’m leaning towards getting the Perception 17 for $800 … but I could also get an older Necky 17 for $500.


Don’t have much time now, but a few thoughts. Will reply more later.

Longer is better for tracking and stability as long as it’s not too narrow. Rudder is very important.

I have a Perception Carolina 14 foot with a rudder that I did the 120 mile race in. I’m 5’11 about 200. The cockpit and rudder foot controls fit me well. If you have a way to come get it in BR, you can tinker with it and try it out. you can keep for a long time as I haven't touched it in a few years. It might not be what you chose to use, but you can learn from the time in it. It’s a wider kayak that does well in choppy water so it’s stable, but you give up a little of the efficiency (speed) of a longer boat.

I’ve also got multiple camal back bags with hydration tubes, eTrex gps (that I think has all inland waterways on it, the spot tracker and other miscellaneous items like navigation lights All sitting in drawers. I Should be able to get you a lot of the equipment you might need. I’m not looking for any money if you want to borrow any/ all of it. Just treat it like it’s yours.

you’ll just have to take a picture in an LSU visor as you pull into the bank for the final time. I think that’s fair.


Final note; I haven’t read the thread lately, but it will take longer than you anticipate. Wind and tidal currents along with chop make for very slow going.
This post was edited on 8/20/21 at 12:42 pm
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
14962 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 12:59 pm to
You need to start training now and not on a row machine. Do a paddle of around 15 miles and do a recovery day. Then repeat. Then start increasing v your miles. Also I’d highly recommend buying a quality paddle. Werner and bending branches make carbon paddles that are strong and super light weight. Go to a good kayak store. The length of the paddle is just as important.
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
46365 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 1:20 pm to
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Final note; I haven’t read the thread lately, but it will take longer than you anticipate. Wind and tidal currents along with chop make for very slow going.

a prevailing SE inshore wind 10- 12 kts is to be expected. it lays down a bit at night and picks up again in the morning, but its always there
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