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re: How Would You Survive - Spin Off Thread
Posted on 10/1/23 at 3:01 pm to GAFF
Posted on 10/1/23 at 3:01 pm to GAFF
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My thoughts as well. I've seen a lot of posters (like the one above) mention how they survived a hurricane.
And having enough gas and propane to run a generator and cook for a week. The real struggle begins when those things run out.
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Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:52 pm to GAFF
The "Haves" and the "Have nots" would be in constant conflict, a lot of people would get killed fighting over food, water, shelter, or whatever "they" want, that "you" have. A lot of guns and ammunitions would be required and lots of people will not have the "stomach" to survive these terrible conditions.
If you survive the initial onslaught, the tough part begins, finding and protecting a regular supply of food and water for people to survive and to keep a small number of family and friends alive.
I would think that after thirty or sixty days, 95% of the population would be dead or gone to the areas where someone will take care of them. If not, they will disappear or die off.
It would take a few neighbors and friends to pull off a survival. It would be crude and severely harsh and not survivable by everyone. Only the willing and strong will survive.
If you survive the initial onslaught, the tough part begins, finding and protecting a regular supply of food and water for people to survive and to keep a small number of family and friends alive.
I would think that after thirty or sixty days, 95% of the population would be dead or gone to the areas where someone will take care of them. If not, they will disappear or die off.
It would take a few neighbors and friends to pull off a survival. It would be crude and severely harsh and not survivable by everyone. Only the willing and strong will survive.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 6:57 pm to GAFF
Right. It'd be one thing just to defend the turf, which is all well and good as long as there's people to provide food, provide ammo, provide relief, etc.
It takes a whole supply chain just for a couple of individuals to hold the fort.
Even if you get past that to the point that it isn't a daily thing anymore, you've still got to maintain a defense while providing for you and yours.
I maintain that the only people who actually make it are the people already living primitive enough to not even realize whatever "it" is happened, whatever it is that launches the turmoil. There will be very very few exceptions.
Civilization is 9 days from total anarchy on any given day.
It takes a whole supply chain just for a couple of individuals to hold the fort.
Even if you get past that to the point that it isn't a daily thing anymore, you've still got to maintain a defense while providing for you and yours.
I maintain that the only people who actually make it are the people already living primitive enough to not even realize whatever "it" is happened, whatever it is that launches the turmoil. There will be very very few exceptions.
Civilization is 9 days from total anarchy on any given day.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:31 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Just move to Amish country and convert they been doing it for centuries
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:18 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Eh, it would be hell but you are also vastly overthinking just the food, medicine, etc. Modern education and basic medicine has come a long way since the 1900s and prior, I mean just boiling water and knowing to treat a wound properly is probably 90% of fighting infection. As in booking a bandage, cleaning it routinely with clean bandage, and applying a basic antibacterial like vodka, iodine, etc.
The biggest unknown and impossible to predict would be surviving against others trying to kill you. The problem is all these wealthy guys properties are mostly known, so them being sought out would happen quickly. They’d have to own something more secretive to stay.
If you had rice, beans, and something like chickens, pigs, or both along with some game here and there you could survive food wise for a long time. There’s tons of farmers that basically did just that for 100s of years all over America with much worse education and much worse tools.
The biggest unknown and impossible to predict would be surviving against others trying to kill you. The problem is all these wealthy guys properties are mostly known, so them being sought out would happen quickly. They’d have to own something more secretive to stay.
If you had rice, beans, and something like chickens, pigs, or both along with some game here and there you could survive food wise for a long time. There’s tons of farmers that basically did just that for 100s of years all over America with much worse education and much worse tools.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 8:21 am
Posted on 10/2/23 at 9:00 am to bulldog95
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Just move to Amish country and convert they been doing it for centuries
The Amish pacificist mentality would have to adapt pretty quick or they wouldn't be long for post apocalypse world.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:59 am to REB BEER
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And having enough gas and propane to run a generator
This is why you run an inverter for the refrigerator only. Forget the AC. Learn to sweat.
Use it until the refrigerated food runs out. You may run out of gas first though. Then you’ve got a fridge full of wasting food.
So you decide to “calorie up” and your family eats all of the fridge food quicklike and loading up for the work that lays ahead. Then you learn to ration/fast when you have dry goods that can last.
If you are moving, you keep the trucks/trailers in the garage and quietly load them up if you have gas. (That’s another thing, do you use the gas in truck for finishing the food in the fridge? That’s a big question)
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:20 pm to GAFF
I have cattle and neighbor farms greens. Between that and wildlife/foraging I think we could survive forever. Families would have to come together...
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:36 pm to GAFF
The best plan you can have is to be able to "bug in" at your residence for 30 days.
If you can manage food, water, shelter, and waste for a month while keeping a low profile, your odds for survival go up tremendously.
If you can manage food, water, shelter, and waste for a month while keeping a low profile, your odds for survival go up tremendously.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:49 pm to GAFF
For those who think they'd survive off deer, if folks were truly hungry whitetails would be extinct in a few months. Fancy high fenced hurting preserves would be smashed quickly. Public waters would be "fished out" quickly along with gators, turtles, frogs, etc. Small game like squirrels are harder to kill but would be gone eventually. Fido and tom the house cat wouldn't last long either.
If power went off today, there's not a lot of common vegetables, other than greens, grown in cold weather so there wouldn't be a lot of that. If you already lived in the country, had chickens, a good garden put up and a meat hog or two, you'd probably be fine, but thats a rare exception, not the rule, and you'd have to fight off others.
Drinking water is the most valuable resource in the history of man kind. You can boil it and use life straws, but many would likely die from what they think is clean spring/well/creek water, plus these sources dry up and get contaminated. A good cistern would also be needed.
Much of the population would probably die off in 6 months or so.
If power went off today, there's not a lot of common vegetables, other than greens, grown in cold weather so there wouldn't be a lot of that. If you already lived in the country, had chickens, a good garden put up and a meat hog or two, you'd probably be fine, but thats a rare exception, not the rule, and you'd have to fight off others.
Drinking water is the most valuable resource in the history of man kind. You can boil it and use life straws, but many would likely die from what they think is clean spring/well/creek water, plus these sources dry up and get contaminated. A good cistern would also be needed.
Much of the population would probably die off in 6 months or so.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:49 pm to GAFF
For those who think they'd survive off deer, if folks were truly hungry whitetails would be extinct in a few months. Fancy high fenced hurting preserves would be smashed quickly. Public waters would be "fished out" quickly along with gators, turtles, frogs, etc. Small game like squirrels are harder to kill but would be gone eventually. Fido and tom the house cat wouldn't last long either.
If power went off today, there's not a lot of common vegetables, other than greens, grown in cold weather so there wouldn't be a lot of that. If you already lived in the country, had chickens, a good garden put up and a meat hog or two, you'd probably be fine, but thats a rare exception, not the rule, and you'd have to fight off others.
Drinking water is the most valuable resource in the history of man kind. You can boil it and use life straws, but many would likely die from what they think is clean spring/well/creek water, plus these sources dry up and get contaminated. A good cistern would also be needed.
Much of the population would probably die off in 6 months or so, even those of who think we know what to do.
If power went off today, there's not a lot of common vegetables, other than greens, grown in cold weather so there wouldn't be a lot of that. If you already lived in the country, had chickens, a good garden put up and a meat hog or two, you'd probably be fine, but thats a rare exception, not the rule, and you'd have to fight off others.
Drinking water is the most valuable resource in the history of man kind. You can boil it and use life straws, but many would likely die from what they think is clean spring/well/creek water, plus these sources dry up and get contaminated. A good cistern would also be needed.
Much of the population would probably die off in 6 months or so, even those of who think we know what to do.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:20 pm to greenbean
Wild hogs may be our salvation.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:42 pm to bayoudude
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Wild hogs may be our salvation.
No doubt, redomesticate them and raise them for meat.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:59 pm to greenbean
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No doubt, redomesticate them and raise them for meat.
From what I understand this is pretty easy to do. I think all the pigs we have here all came from domestic pigs to start with. I'm pretty sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
A few castnets would be handy survival tools to have as well.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:28 pm to mthorn2
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I have cattle and neighbor farms greens. Between that and wildlife/foraging I think we could survive forever. Families would have to come together...
What do you forage in the winter months? Because you’re not growing greens all year.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:14 am to dstone12
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Because you’re not growing greens all year.
Sure, you can grow greens all year except summer. Collards, Mustards, turnips, in winter. Normal lettuces and Mustards in spring. You can also cook down and can them. Preserve turnips. Beef, wild pork, and deer all year. Make bread (nasty bread but bread regardless) out of behia grass seed and native wheat seed. I probably have 4 years of other vegetable seeds as well if we wanted to garden....you'd just have to refrain from eating all the veggies and let some of them go to seed for future seasons.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 10:32 am to dstone12
Only way to have meaningful amount of vegetables year round is to can. My great grandparents always had hundreds of jars full of all kinds of stuff in their walk in pantry. He had about a 1 acre garden back then.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 11:59 am to greenbean
Watcha gonna do when the 'HOOD" comes to your NEIGHBORHOOD. They're rioting now in Philly over cell phones and video games. Watcha think they're gonna do for a ham sandwich and a bottle of water. They will kill your azz ASAP. Its gonna be a war and you better be ready to kill some people, to protect your family, and you can't do it alone. You can think about killing wild game, building a smokehouse and stashing 100 lbs of salt later.
Survival starts when the lights go off.
Survival starts when the lights go off.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:17 pm to REB BEER
They did.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 3:13 pm to RockoRou
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RockoRou
Watcha gonna do when the 'HOOD" comes to your NEIGHBORHOOD.
Rural people don't have to worry about Hood. They'll be dead extremely quickly because the first thing they will do, is loot TVs, rims, jewelry, booze, etc.
They'd go extinct in 1 month.
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