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re: Harmless Water snake or moccasin? Please help, dog may have been bit.

Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:20 pm to
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
17803 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:20 pm to
Get ready for the nutria infestation.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:52 pm to
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Get ready for the nutria infestation.



Posted by buffbraz
Member since Nov 2005
5743 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:35 pm to
Lol, no nutrias out here.....my Boston terrier is fine so far. She’s got a big bday tomorrow which could’ve turned out badly had it been a moccasin. Thanks for the help!
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87367 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:06 pm to
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diamond backed watersnake
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46361 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:08 pm to
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Dogs handle snake bites very well. Ive seen plenty with cottonmouth bites and it just slows them down for a day or two. Never seen one have any kind of long-lasting effects.


I lost a GSP to a cottonmouth bite, but it is very, very uncommon. She was hit on the back foot, apparently in the artery, it was the first warm day in months and the snake was small, so it is assumed the venom was really potent. The venom caused a stroke and she lived 2 months before passing. Very strange and expensive experience I hope I never have to go through again...
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17649 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:37 pm to
Had a dog that was bit by a baby copperhead. I walked right over it, didn’t see it, and the dog was following me and the snake jumped up and bit her on the leg. Gave her some Benadryl and she was fine. She swelled up pretty bad though.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25805 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:49 pm to
Viper shaped head and pupils that are elongated vertically are the 2 identifying traits I look for in a water moccasin. Your pic has neither so i vote harmless water snake
Posted by Chuker
St George, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2015
7544 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:57 pm to
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. Most times when a dog gets bit, very little venom gets in them.



This is something I think most people don't realize. Snakes can inject no venom to most of their venom stores. When a snake strikes out of defense, it's usually the lower venom variety.

Posted by Cajun367
S. Louisiana
Member since Oct 2017
1943 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:14 am to
Venom isn't any more "potent" in juvenile snakes. Nor do juveniles inject more because they haven't "learned" to control their output.

Two myths that need to die.

Posted by BigHoss
Offshore
Member since Apr 2010
3366 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:23 am to
You’re field of expertise?

He didn’t say it was more potent because it was a juvenile.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72063 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 5:52 am to
Definitely strange. I cant count how many cottonmouth bites ive seen on dogs that didnt amount to anything but a few days of swelling and a scar.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
87367 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:40 am to
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Viper shaped head and pupils that are elongated vertically are the 2 identifying traits I look for in a water moccasin. Your pic has neither so i vote harmless water snake
I've never gotten that far. I mean, cotton mouth can water snake is obvious from characteristics easier to see than pupils. Head shape can be a bit deceiving, but it usually obvious on cotton and copper.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
7331 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:46 am to
After talking with the emergency vets after my dog almost died.

As a general blanket rule, the only snake bite that will require treatment 99% of the time is a rattlesnake. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule either way.

Speaking from experience:
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
34477 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:47 am to
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Problems from snake bites without treatment, meat rot under the skin. It can get very bad. Most times when a dog gets bit, very little venom gets in them. But if a snake injects a shite load in, that is when there can be big problems.



You're right. I was on my phone and abbreviated my post. He got popped on the nose, and the vets said that it most likely was just a defensive strike and didn't get much venom. They also told us that if things started to go bad to get him to the vet school clinic ASAP. The biggest worry at the time was his nose swelling shut, closing off his airway.

A secondary infection can be as bad or worse than the effects of the venom.

Additionally, even though they are from the same genus (Agkistrodon)the venom from a copperhead is usually a lot less potent than that of a Moccasin.
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 7:51 am
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
22281 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 8:09 am to
C'est pas poison.
Posted by Gevans17
Member since Dec 2007
1135 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 9:46 am to
Yellow bellied water snake
Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
19707 posts
Posted on 10/17/18 at 10:43 am to
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Thanks guys. Close call.


Not really a close call...
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