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Garands from the CMP- ammo question?
Posted on 1/27/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 1/27/21 at 1:00 pm
I remember a thread recently about how to order a Garand from the CMP, which is something I've always sorta considered doing.
That's a rifle that might not be the most practical SHTF option, but it's also one I think any American gun owner would want one of in the collection, along with a 1911.
Which brings this question up- I see some mentions of 30.06 ammo compatibility.
I don't have a gun in this caliber, so I don't know-
in normal times/availability, would a Garand be able to handle any 30.06 you'd buy off the shelf, or was it limited to something specific?
If there are certain loads you CAN'T shoot, what are the SAFE ones, and are there even any around right now?
When you look at current gun prices climbing vs the CMP staying relatively level, ordering a Garand isn't as pricey as it used to be. A year or so ago, you could say "oh, I could get 2 of these instead", ... that's not really the case anymore. If you're in the 'for fun' market, and are willing to pony up for a rack or special grade, it's maybe cheaper than some other rifles that used to cost a bit less.
But if it can't handle the ammo you can buy and you then damage it... that would be a serious pain in the arse.
IS there an issue regarding ammo and the Garand? Is there any safe ammo available right now?
That's a rifle that might not be the most practical SHTF option, but it's also one I think any American gun owner would want one of in the collection, along with a 1911.
Which brings this question up- I see some mentions of 30.06 ammo compatibility.
I don't have a gun in this caliber, so I don't know-
in normal times/availability, would a Garand be able to handle any 30.06 you'd buy off the shelf, or was it limited to something specific?
If there are certain loads you CAN'T shoot, what are the SAFE ones, and are there even any around right now?
When you look at current gun prices climbing vs the CMP staying relatively level, ordering a Garand isn't as pricey as it used to be. A year or so ago, you could say "oh, I could get 2 of these instead", ... that's not really the case anymore. If you're in the 'for fun' market, and are willing to pony up for a rack or special grade, it's maybe cheaper than some other rifles that used to cost a bit less.
But if it can't handle the ammo you can buy and you then damage it... that would be a serious pain in the arse.
IS there an issue regarding ammo and the Garand? Is there any safe ammo available right now?
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Posted on 1/27/21 at 1:20 pm to Scoob
I'm no expert. I bought a CMP Garand a few years ago.
IIRC the Garand is designed to shoot lower pressure loads than typical 30.06.
Your options are to (a) buy ammo made for the Garand or (b) buy a gas valve made to solve the problem - valve installs in 30 seconds.
IIRC the Garand is designed to shoot lower pressure loads than typical 30.06.
Your options are to (a) buy ammo made for the Garand or (b) buy a gas valve made to solve the problem - valve installs in 30 seconds.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 1:21 pm to Scoob
I have a CMP Garand. It does require lower grain ammo than any of the commercially available 30.06 hunting ammo you can get off the shelf. Must be 150 grain or lower. Also, lead-point, or ballistic tipped ammo can catch on the feed ramp and bend your op-rod so only ball tip ammo is supposed to be used.
I've never been able to find it on the shelf at Academy but I have a Sportsman's Warehouse near me in Slidell and they usually had a few 20rd boxes of American Eagle (Federal) M1 Specific ammo on the shelf but that was way before this crisis crap.
I haven't bought any in a while, though, because I bought a 500rd ammo can-full of last year. PPU made it. It is accurate and goes bang every time. But it's pretty pricey now, if you can even find it. I want to say I paid about $300 for it but now it's anywhere from 450-500
(If you ask around at a range or gun shop you're going to hear from a bunch of yahoo's that'll say "I've never had a problem using Remington Core Lock" and they may be right but one day when that 70 year old steel barrel goes all Elmer Fudd on them, they'll regret it)
I've never been able to find it on the shelf at Academy but I have a Sportsman's Warehouse near me in Slidell and they usually had a few 20rd boxes of American Eagle (Federal) M1 Specific ammo on the shelf but that was way before this crisis crap.
I haven't bought any in a while, though, because I bought a 500rd ammo can-full of last year. PPU made it. It is accurate and goes bang every time. But it's pretty pricey now, if you can even find it. I want to say I paid about $300 for it but now it's anywhere from 450-500
(If you ask around at a range or gun shop you're going to hear from a bunch of yahoo's that'll say "I've never had a problem using Remington Core Lock" and they may be right but one day when that 70 year old steel barrel goes all Elmer Fudd on them, they'll regret it)
This post was edited on 1/27/21 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/27/21 at 2:01 pm to dawg23
Thanks, guys. That's what I wanted to find out, wanted to be sure that if I made this move, I didn't screw the gun up out of ignorance.
Considering all the stress and anguish about guns and politics, I may seriously consider that "now is the time to act", while it's still on the table.
So,... looking at some of the Special grade descriptions,- they are Garands, but with a lot of new stuff (barrel, stock etc). The ported gas plug appears to work as described (making any ammo safe), and since it's not "all original", it's not as terrible to do such a modification.
Certainly seems to be a good idea to line one up prior to ordering one.
Considering all the stress and anguish about guns and politics, I may seriously consider that "now is the time to act", while it's still on the table.
So,... looking at some of the Special grade descriptions,- they are Garands, but with a lot of new stuff (barrel, stock etc). The ported gas plug appears to work as described (making any ammo safe), and since it's not "all original", it's not as terrible to do such a modification.
Certainly seems to be a good idea to line one up prior to ordering one.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 2:10 pm to Scoob
you'll still have the original plug. the old one screws out (screwdriver) and the new one screws in.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 3:11 pm to Scoob
I got a service grade a few years ago from CMP, and it came with a new Boyd's stock. I put some Tung Oil on it and it finished out nicely along with some Gunny Wax. And listen to both Dawg and CGrand about the ammo and the replacement gas port, which can be changed out in less than a minute. Better to be safe than to damage the op rod. You can sometimes find the PPU Garand ammo at AmmoGarand, but probably not now. Lots of fun to own and shoot an American icon.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 4:44 pm to Scoob
I own a CMP Garand, got into handloading because of it. No, you don't need to stick to 150gr ammo at "lower pressure". I have 150gr, 155gr, 168gr, and 175gr loads for my Garand. It's not a peak pressure issue but a pressure curve issue. M1 Garands need faster burning powder than typical 30-06 hunting loads, the powder needs to burn out to keep the gas port pressure from being to high and hammering the action. You can find loading recipes for a variety of loads that are safe and there are commercial ammo options like Hornady Match 168gr A-Max bullets specifically for the Garand and Federal American Eagle has 150gr for the Garand too. Neither are cheap, in fact there is really no inexpensive option for feeding these rifles anymore as even good surplus ammo has been hard to find for years now. You can also go with adjustable gas-port plugs but I've never tried one.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 5:35 pm to Clames
Good information in your post and the link provided by another poster!
I love my Garands....
I love my Garands....
Posted on 1/27/21 at 6:01 pm to Yewkindewit
Love mine, wish I'd picked up a few more when the getting was good. Might be picking up a Smith-Corona 1903-A3 though, have to do some research on the serial numbers and markings first.
Posted on 1/27/21 at 6:41 pm to Scoob
It will safely handle the pressure of any round you can find. What will happen if your shoot some of the slower burning powders lots of 30-06 is loaded with today is that you will bend your operating rod.
IMR 4895 is the original powder. 47 grains of IMR 4895 or IMR 4064 and a 150 grain bullet is what you need to shoot. As noted above, it isn’t a matter of safety just a functioning issue. If you only want to shoot factory, PRVI makes a specific Garand load that features a 150 grain bullet at 2,700 FPS with powder of the right burn rate.
IMR 4895 is the original powder. 47 grains of IMR 4895 or IMR 4064 and a 150 grain bullet is what you need to shoot. As noted above, it isn’t a matter of safety just a functioning issue. If you only want to shoot factory, PRVI makes a specific Garand load that features a 150 grain bullet at 2,700 FPS with powder of the right burn rate.
This post was edited on 1/27/21 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 1/27/21 at 8:25 pm to Cossatotjoe
Also, federal primers have a reputation of slam firing in garands easier than other brands. Something to keep in mind.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:27 pm to Clames
About 20 years ago I began an interesting venture into the history of World War rifles and since have bought a handful representing several countries. A friend and I drove up to the North Store in Port Clinton, Ohio and I could not resist buying an 03, 03-A3, an Eddystone and a couple of service grade Garands. We made it up there from B’ham in one day, fondled rifles at the store the next morning and drove back that day.
Since they opened the Anniston Store we have made several short drives there as well.
Since they opened the Anniston Store we have made several short drives there as well.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:39 pm to Scoob
What’s the price of a CMP garand and what’s the process of obtaining one?
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:55 pm to finchmeister08
I bought some imported garand ammo a few years ago that was from Greece. Surplus stuff that was loaded in the 60s. Think we sold the Greeks a lot of garands or they used knockoffs (beretta maybe?) designs. Pretty sure it was guns the US sold them though. Believe a lot were sent back to the US and sold thru CMP. Something similar was supposed to happen with Garands from Korea - Obama blocked it, not sure if it ever happened under Trump.
Forgot where I got the Greek ammo. It was online. But something to consider looking for if this current buying craze ever ends.
No issues with function so far.
Forgot where I got the Greek ammo. It was online. But something to consider looking for if this current buying craze ever ends.
No issues with function so far.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 5:21 am to finchmeister08
Here's all the requirements to get one. Quite lengthy and involved, but worth it, IMHO
Order Form with more information
M1 Garand WRA Field Grade = $850
M1 Garand, Luck of the draw for Springfield or Harrington & Richardson manufacturer Service Grade. Orders will be filled with next available Service grade rifle. = $750
M1 Garand IHC Service Grade. Only part guaranteed to be IHC is the receiver. Some other parts could be IHC but not guaranteed. = $1080
Grade Descriptions:
Order Form with more information
M1 Garand WRA Field Grade = $850
M1 Garand, Luck of the draw for Springfield or Harrington & Richardson manufacturer Service Grade. Orders will be filled with next available Service grade rifle. = $750
M1 Garand IHC Service Grade. Only part guaranteed to be IHC is the receiver. Some other parts could be IHC but not guaranteed. = $1080
Grade Descriptions:
quote:
FIELD GRADE: (FAIR TO GOOD)
Field Grade Rifles. Most of these rifles have been refinished or rebuilt at least once while in military service and will likely have some parts from other manufacturers. Fair to good condition. Rifle wear will be exhibited by worn and mixed colors of the finish; may have pitting on the metal parts; wood will be basically sound but may be well used with minor hairline cracks, and many dings, scratches and gouges; wood may not match in color, type of wood or condition. These rifles may have some foreign parts and wood may be Walnut, Birch, Beech or other variety. Wood may be new Hackberry wood with no holes drilled for the cleaning kit. Rifles do not have import marks. Bores will be generally good with only minor imperfections; the barrel crown may be nicked, and the muzzle may gauge a 3 on muzzle gauge. The Throat Erosion will gauge less than 5 – well within US Army standards. Do not expect rifles in mint condition in this grade. May come with new wood.
Manufacturer selection only guarantees the receiver was produced by the manufacturer listed. The barrel and the other parts may have been produced by other manufacturers.
SERVICE GRADE: (GOOD TO VERY GOOD)
Service Grade Rifles show less wear and better appearance than Field or Rack Grades. Good to very good condition. Rifle wear will be exhibited by worn and mixed colors of the parkerized finish. May have pitting on the metal parts. Wood will be either Walnut, Birch, Beech or other variety and will be basically sound but may have minor hairline cracks, dings, scratches and gouges. Wood may not match in color or type of wood. Wood may be of new production but may be used and show signs of wear on Service Grade Garands. Bores will be generally good with only minor imperfections. The barrel crown may be nicked, but the muzzle will gauge “3 or less” and the throat erosion will gauge less than 5.
Manufacturer selection only guarantees the receiver was produced by the manufacturer listed. The barrel and the other parts may have been produced by other manufacturers.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 8:00 am to cdaniel76
dang, so after reading that, i have to be a member of a CMP club near me. and in order to be a member of that club, i have to be sponsored by an existing member of said club and a member of the NRA. 
Posted on 1/29/21 at 8:46 am to finchmeister08
quote:
have to be a member of a CMP club near me. and in order to be a member of that club, i have to be sponsored by an existing member of said club and a member of the NRA.
Thats not accurate. You have to be a member of ANY cmp affiliated club. There are a whole lot out there. There are local NRA groups that qualify but you do not have to join those or NRA to order a rifle. I fact, a normal NRA membership does not count.
Louisiana shooting association for example covers the club membership requirements. Theres a list of affiliated clubs on the website.
Their website isn't the easiest to navigate but there is a buying-rifles-for-dummies page on there that details it well.
This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 8:47 am
Posted on 1/29/21 at 9:11 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
Thats not accurate.
according to the CMP site:
and one of my local CMP affilated clubs:
eta: i guess living in Indiana, i can join a group in Alabama or Louisiana then. is that what's you're saying?
This post was edited on 1/29/21 at 9:13 am
Posted on 1/29/21 at 9:17 am to finchmeister08
Yea thats what I meant. Just join a different one.
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