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re: Flyway Federation?

Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:45 am to
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12740 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:45 am to
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There is nothing that is “normal agriculture practice” about leaving standing corn or beans, unharvested and flooding them

The irony here is that "normal ag practice" does not apply. It's clear in the rules that if it's unharvested, as long as it isn't mowed, rolled, or "otherwise manipulated", you can hunt it. As the regulation defines "manipulation", flooding is not considered. Why? Who knows, but I would presume based on the other methods listed that USFWS does not consider flooding to be the same kind of vegetation manipulation. In fact, they even say "flooding or manipulated" regarding natural vegetation, signifying that the two are not synonymous.

I don't care if they ban it or not, but my contention all along has been that if they ban it, FFL better be ready for the northerners to push for a ban on hunting over harvested crop ground and crawfish ponds.

That's a tit for tat game I wouldn't want to play.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5152 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 4:42 pm to
First off i will tell you guys, I am not a biologist. I am just a concerned hunter. I am from Louisiana and have been hunting all different types of game here in our state. I am a dedicated Duck and Deer hunter.
I noticed a lack of migration with waterfowl to the state of Louisiana since the late 90's. I have researched how this could be possible with the numbers that we have been showing that we see and kill here in our state. The research has been a hobby now for about 7 yrs but recent years become more of a mission.
I found out the reason for the lack of migration but I noticed a trend and the trend is why I am here talking to you right now.
I have talked with many biologists through email or conversation about this. I am now tied in with one of the leading biologist in Canada and he is actively looking into the similarities between CWD and Avian Botulism & other diseases. I spoke with 2 biologists from QDMA. The last conversation was with DR. Kip Adams, I told him about my theory with Avian Botulism, possibly being the missing link to CWD and Mad Cow. DR Kip Adams told me that my theory with CWD and Mad Cow had already been proven. CWD and Mad Cow is the same Sickness.
I asked why call it different names? If a human or an animal has cancer, It is still Cancer. Just because it is to different species of life does not mean the scientific name should be different. My research with Ducks would take me to large concentrations of waterfowl in the upper Mississippi Flyway, studying years, locations, populations, and time of the year that the concentrations were in the specific locations.
Since 1985 when large conservation movements became a part of the farm bill, the plan of 46million acres of breeding grounds to be restored due to habitat loss could have been a false dilemma. The breeding grounds restoration project started in the mid 1930's and ended in the 1950's.the largest concentration in the 69 year survey was in the 50's. The Canadian breeding grounds population counts did not show this drastic loss in populations of waterfowl, it actually shows large increases.
The landscape and ecosystems being put into effect with farm bill CRP/WRP funding could have been a good thing. YES they could have 100%. The more land for wildlife the better. The problem with the man made conservation areas was just because you have habitat does not mean that it will be utilized. Wildlife utilize there ecosystems and habitats just as humans do. We always know where home is but, if given the opportunity with better resources in an area that we do not work nearly as hard for those resources you move. Think of this like anything in history. The gold rush for example. Large concentrations of people flooded to an area of opportunity because they thought they could strike it rich. When this happened it was concentrating large populations in one area.
To get large concentrations of waterfowl in new areas of opportunity you have to attract them by utilizing baiting tactics. "Gold ....Gold i say just over those hills" . It is the same with tactic with waterfowl and deer creating food plots in areas that historically fly over states. The next fact is, conservation areas 'CRP' that were being utilized for this so called "Critical Wintering Grounds" utilizes farm land and pays the farmer not to harvest his crop. Could this be good? yes possibly. The problem is flooding of a non- flood plain on a non-flood able crop is not good. It kills the crop and manipulates the soil it is planted in. The soil would have to be turned over, removed and managed to ever produce a quality crop.

The next fact is, the flooded unharvested crops attract large concentrations of birds and utilizing pumps to circulate water to prevent from freezing attracts birds as well when everything else around it is frozen. Avian botulism occurs when large concentrations of birds are in one general area. The fact that this areas just happen to be baited do to unharvested crops is even more of an attracting reason for waterfowl.
The areas now since 1998 when the migratory bird treaty reform was put into action and amendments made to allow legal baiting practices only to select locations for specific reasons, maybe because the farm lands now have become full time hunting lodges " be sure to call early to book the best dates " type of places. The waterfowl populations being at an all-time high and concentrated on small open spots of water throughout the flyway to hold them from day 1 of season until the last warm sit is no longer filled on the last day of season and the pumps are kicked off to basically open the cage and release them to migrate.
Final fact with my theory......
• Fact Avian botulism occurs when large concentrations are in specific locations.
• Fact Conservation funding and expense is getting out of hand.
• Fact Conservation efforts to state and federally owned lands only goes to select areas with
others habitats left to ruin.
• Fact Conservation efforts takes large amounts of funding from farmers that could use the
funding to better feed Americans and properly maintain their property and equipment.
• Fact All other wildlife and farm animals are attracted to, or live on these farm lands.
• Fact The wildlife and farm animals eat grass/hay from the same area as the unharvested crop
and on the unharvested crop.
• Fact the wildlife and farm animals drink from the water where unharvested crops are planted,
on manipulated soils, with water being pumped and circulated to prevent freezing to hold large
concentrations of waterfowl.
• Theory Biologist originally thought that CWD and mad cow was separate.
• Fact CWD and Mad Cow are the exact same.
• Theory Biologist thought CWD and mad cow originated from sheep. Which is still a theory.
• Fact CWD and mad cow is found very close to avian botulism areas shortly after it is found.
• Fact Avian botulism was found 2017 in Michigan and it is very common in this area and has
moved south.
• Fact Avian botulism found right outside of a hunting facility in Arkansas Dec 2017
• Fact Hunter films whitetail die of CWD in Mississippi just across the river on the south east
border of Arkansas.
• Fact IT IS NOT COMMON TO FARM SHEEP IN THE SOUTH!
• MY THEORY Avian botulism & diseases causes CWD and Mad Cow and the more land put in to
critical wintering on the farms in the north for the new high priced sport of waterfowl concentrating is causing large cases of CWD in those areas.

• The further south they move down the flyway building these critical baited facilities concentrating the waterfowl for personal gain the more CWD becomes available in our white tails here. The facility where it was found outside of this in 2017 was known to be one of the locations holding insane amounts of waterfowl. It is also one of the last large projects of many more planned on the schedule.
• Man playing God has to stop; we can utilize funding to restore our state and federal lands. Construction of these new lands built with American tax dollars, only to be charged 1200 a day to utilize the area is wrong. The extra funding would boost the budget to the real farmers and would provide better quality of crops. Would allow rice farmers better funding and we could start utilizing more of our own quality product instead of importing a foreign soils product..
• Please start looking into all this and research yourself. Push the issue to research my theory. If i am correct this is only going to get worse. Thank you for reading. i know its long but there is not quick way of explaining this.
If you have any questions please contact me at josh.goins@flywayfederationlouisiana.com
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
14079 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 5:03 pm to
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 5:06 pm to
Cliffs?
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
14079 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

Cliffs?
quote:

at josh.goins@flywayfederationlouisiana.com
is laying down facts and theories.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11490 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 5:14 pm to
Travel to Arkansas and other states north of us. They are killing and hunting the shite out of them. That is the reason it sucks here. Arkansas is way overhunted. They are either killing them there, pushing them back North or to the West. Going to Arkansas on a guided duck hunt will show you exactly why the duck hunting has changed in Louisiana.

The ducks have slowly been pushed to the west or not coming this far south or killed. Once they change their migration it is hard to get them to change back.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5152 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 5:15 pm to
quote:

Cliffs?


Just read this part

Fact IT IS NOT COMMON TO FARM SHEEP IN THE SOUTH!
• MY THEORY Avian botulism & diseases causes CWD and Mad Cow and the more land put in to
critical wintering on the farms in the north for the new high priced sport of waterfowl concentrating is causing large cases of CWD in those areas.
Posted by Howard Juneau
Cocodrie, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2219 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:17 pm to
Flyway Federation is a joke. DU, and Delta to a much lesser extent, put ducks in the sky. Flyway Federation does not.

If they do say anything that is true or makes sense it is camouflaged by all the nonsense and ridiculous theories.

Their biggest: corn is short stopping ducks.

Let's do the math.

How much corn per day would it take to stop a duck from migrating?

8 ounces? That's my guess and it happens to be .5 lb.?

How many ducks migrate?

2017 numbers were 47 million total.

So we need 23.5 million pounds of corn per day to short stop all the ducks. But surely even the waterfowl/welding wizards at Flyway Federation don't think they all are short stopped, so let's say 1/2 are. That still 11.75 million pounds of corn per day needed to shortstop that many ducks.

Now, because no one shot ducks all year, we have to assume they were shortstopped from at least 2 weeks before the season, to exactly one day after the season, right? So that's 85 days (more or less depending on what state, but i'm being conservative).

85 days at 11.75 million pounds per day = 998.75 million pounds of corn... nearly 1 BILLON pounds of corn needed.

Yeah. It's the extra 1 BILLION pounds of corn that's short stopping them.

Puhleeze.

But don't confront Flyway Federation with facts, or they'll kick you out of their group.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12740 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 9:32 pm to
quote:

• Fact Conservation efforts takes large amounts of funding from farmers that could use the
funding to better feed Americans and properly maintain their property and equipment.

Not a fact. This guy doesn't have a clue how conservation programs work or why they exist. WRP and CRP were practically created to protect the agricultural market at a time when farmers were committing suicide at a record rate. By taking land out of production, it DID put more money in farmers pockets. Farm Bill programs CONTINUE to put money into the pockets of farmers, keeping many open for business. Maybe he should expand his research beyond CRP and WRP and look into other programs.
quote:

Fact CWD and Mad Cow are the exact same.

They are both Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathies, but they aren't the same. And they aren't related to Avian Botulism, which is caused by a bacteria; TSEs are caused by prions.

This guy just continues to prove how crazy he is. Those are CONSPIRACY theories.
Posted by Drunken Crawfish
Member since Apr 2017
3825 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:46 pm to
quote:

Cowboyfan89


Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
14079 posts
Posted on 2/5/20 at 10:50 pm to
But the dude spoke to some biologists, and shite. He’s got facts to boot.

Yet he remains unable to correctly interpret the baiting regs.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 10:52 pm
Posted by KemoSabe65
70605
Member since Mar 2018
5226 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 6:52 am to
Grassy knoll & Book suppository theories
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5152 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:28 am to
Waiting til they figure how to link flooded corn to the coronavirus next week
Posted by PiyahhBaw
Member since Oct 2018
128 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 8:51 am to
So, I'm assuming those baws have gotten nowhere orrrr..
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5152 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:09 am to
Don’t know. I Just go over there occasionally and read some of the stuff then shake my head

February is a big month for them. It’s when they go out and video ducks and say they just got here because the states north of us pull the plug on the flooded corn and allow the ducks to finally leave rather than realize they come out of hiding because 5000 coonasses aren’t shooting at then or riding around in mud motors
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 9:10 am
Posted by Huntinguy
Member since Mar 2011
1755 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:35 am to
This is pretty sad.
Posted by Tigah D
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
1408 posts
Posted on 2/6/20 at 9:48 am to
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rather than realize they come out of hiding because 5000 coonasses aren’t shooting at then or riding around in mud motors



THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS AND THIS X 10000000000000000



December 2019 LDWF aerial survey shows that the birds counted was a mere 8% below the long term average (LONG term, not the most recent 5 year avg). So, did the ducks come? Yes, they apparently did. Nature 1, FFL 0

Now, did they take up long term residence in all ya podna's favorite holes that he's been hammering for decades? For some, yes, but for many NO. But you can't friggin run around saying "aint no ducks come here anymore" when they were documented as being all the way down to the coast. Survey language denotes some interesting patterns though, noting some crazy concentrations in areas that, yep, aren't as pressured as the average hole. Color me shocked!
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