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re: Deer rifle for my son ?
Posted on 12/7/20 at 7:41 am to tilltheend
Posted on 12/7/20 at 7:41 am to tilltheend
Remington 700 in .308. preferrably used and made before 200_(i don't remember the specific year / maybe someone can knows)
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:25 am to tilltheend
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:33 am to tilltheend
I built a .224 Valkyrie for my son when he was 11. He is 13 now and starting to use my Savage 10FCP-SR in 6.5 Creedmoor. We take the creedmoor when we are hunting 200 yds plus. He still like the .224 on 60-70 yard shots. Amazing finding .224 ammo is pretty easy these days. It is very comparable to a .243.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:38 am to thetigerfan
This thread has already fallen down the .243 is shite hole.
This is only my opinion.
There are so many guns out there right now available that would make him a great gun.
from $350 (without glass) up to as much as you want to spend.
I would strongly recommend you staying away from anything new from Remington unless you plan to do a lot of work on the gun (refinishing and rebuilding).
They number of calibers available today is great if not overwhelming to those that don't know what they are looking at.
anything that has a parent case from the .308 is good to go WITH THE PROPER BULLET.
the .243 gets a bad rap but that's only because there was a bad shot made or the wrong bullet was used.
Period.
This is only my opinion.
There are so many guns out there right now available that would make him a great gun.
from $350 (without glass) up to as much as you want to spend.
I would strongly recommend you staying away from anything new from Remington unless you plan to do a lot of work on the gun (refinishing and rebuilding).
They number of calibers available today is great if not overwhelming to those that don't know what they are looking at.
anything that has a parent case from the .308 is good to go WITH THE PROPER BULLET.
the .243 gets a bad rap but that's only because there was a bad shot made or the wrong bullet was used.
Period.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 8:46 am to bbvdd
bbvdd is 100% correct! Bullet selection is important with a “small” bullet going really fast.... buy ammo that expands but retains some weight. I’ve had great luck with Hornady American Whitetail and Nosler Partitions.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:07 am to TexasHand
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Bullet selection is important with a “small” bullet going really fast....
Why worry about it? For whitetail deer:
.308 Federal Power Shok (Blue Box) > .243 Any Super Duper Most Modern Bullet
I think Federal and Remington make reduced recoil .308 rounds that make shooting it like shooting a .243 if someone is worried about recoil.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 9:18 am
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:09 am to tilltheend
7mm-08 is best gun ever made
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:12 am to tilltheend
Savage Axis combo with a scope in just about any standard calibre you can think of is a great buy. Usually around $320-$350.
I like .25-06. Can't go wrong with .30-06.
I like .25-06. Can't go wrong with .30-06.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:18 am to DownSouthJukin
I prefer a bullet that won’t separate at close range when i use my .243.... that’s just me and personal preference. I shoot federal blue box out of my 30-06, but i go up in grain weight and the performance is flawless. Speer is an excellent bullet (that’s what’s in blue box ammo) but they are soft, so i up the weight and they hold together well.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 9:22 am
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:21 am to TexasHand
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I shoot federal blue box out of my 30-06, but i go up in grain weight and the performance is flawless.
I shoot 180's out of my 30-06. I made a not great shot on a buck this year, I'm ashamed to say. Had I been shooting a .243, I likely would not have found that deer. Instead, he was laying dead about 30 yards from where I shot him.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:26 am to DownSouthJukin
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I likely would not have found that deer. Instead, he was laying dead about 30 yards from where I shot him.
Why do you think that (provided quality bullets are used)
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:28 am to tilltheend
I personally very impressed with 25-06. I wish I had it vs my 270. Lighter recoil, packs serious punch.
Wby Vanguard is a great rifle.
Wby Vanguard is a great rifle.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:30 am to bbvdd
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Why do you think that (provided quality bullets are used)
Bigger hole, more expansion, more shock, more damage than any .243 round of any construction could have provided.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:33 am to tilltheend
Get the kid a savage axis or ruger american with a nikon prostaff pr leupold rifleman
Get him a 308 or 270
Great quality entry level gun that wont break the bank in a caliber that is easially found (normally) at any store in any town. He can use this gun forever
Get him a 308 or 270
Great quality entry level gun that wont break the bank in a caliber that is easially found (normally) at any store in any town. He can use this gun forever
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:40 am to DownSouthJukin
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Bigger hole, more expansion,
Correct
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more shock, more damage
Why do you think this?
Bigger, heavier, slower moving bullet does not create more shock.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:41 am to oleyeller
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Get the kid a savage axis or ruger american with a nikon prostaff or leupold rifleman
Get him a 308 or 270
I agree with this 100%. The recoil on these guns is easily handled by a 13 year old boy, who will keep getting bigger.
Don't fool with the "johnny-come-lately" calibers that will be forgotten in 20 years. Stick with the ones that have a proven track record like 308, 270, 30-06, etc.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 9:44 am to REB BEER
Yup... like .243. First time shooter + he can pass it down to his children one day, boy or girl @ any age. Let him buy his own 7mm mag or 300 win mag paper weight later in life lol.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:07 am to bbvdd
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Bigger, heavier, slower moving bullet does not create more shock.
Below are the ballistics comparisons for Federal Power Shok .308 and 30-06 (jacketed soft point) and Federal Premium Vital Shok .243 (all premium bullets). The ranges indicated are Muzzle-100-200-300-400-500. The numbers on the left are the velocity, the numbers on the right are foot/pounds of energy.
Energy transferred to an animal is what causes shock. The .308 and 30-06 carry more foot pounds of energy at all distances than does the .243.
I shot my deer at less than 100 yards. Let's say 75. So roughly, when that 180 grain .308 caliber bullet fired from my 30-06 hit that 200 lbs. 8 point buck, it was carrying about 2,560 ft.lbs of energy. The best .243 load at that distance would have been carrying about 1,740 ft/lbs of energy. That's a 820 ft/lbs difference. The 30-06 is carrying nearly 150% of the energy of the .243 at that distance.
More shock was created by that bigger, heavier, slower moving bullet.
Link to Federal ballistics chart.
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 10:17 am
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:29 am to DownSouthJukin
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More shock was created by that bigger, heavier, slower moving bullet.
Too many variables here.
Depending on the bullet and shot placement, you can put drastically less energy on target with a more powerful caliber.
For example, I bet a 375 h&h with 300gr solids would put less energy on the deer at 100 yards than would a .270 with a 130gr Sierra gameking.
I think with normal hunting bullets somewhere around .30-06 you start getting into drastically diminished returns and eventually losses as far as energy on target goes. Having killed two does the same size at the same range with the same shot placement with a .30-06 180gr partition and a .338 win mag with 230gr oryx definitely supports that theory. The -06 was far more destructive.
The only way to measure this would be to shoot a 100% weight retention expanding bullet into a given thickness of gel and measure both the entrance and exit velocities.
I really want to do this experiment one day.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:39 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Too many variables here.
Depending on the bullet and shot placement, you can put drastically less energy on target with a more powerful caliber.
Exactly
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