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Coyotes - new research prove what many said - gulf coast - red wolf genes
Posted on 6/30/26 at 8:09 am
Posted on 6/30/26 at 8:09 am
Since my first encounter with a coyote as an 11 year old way back in 1976, they have always peaked my interest and I've taken quite a few. But growing up not far from this study area - for decades the older folks always said - they never caught all of the red wolves is SW La and SE Tx.
Looks like those old timers were correct and they indeed breed with coyotes.
It also expains the "black" coyotes which many wrongly thought were coy dogs(which are exceedingly rare).
link to study.
LINK
Looks like those old timers were correct and they indeed breed with coyotes.
It also expains the "black" coyotes which many wrongly thought were coy dogs(which are exceedingly rare).
link to study.
LINK
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 8:27 am to choupiquesushi
Couldn’t finish it cause too many big words.
My hood is over run with rabbits and I haven’t seen any coyotes post Laura in town. There were huge packs around the LC airport previously but I haven’t seen them in a long time.
Occasionally I will see a roadkill on 27 but it’s also rare now.
My hood is over run with rabbits and I haven’t seen any coyotes post Laura in town. There were huge packs around the LC airport previously but I haven’t seen them in a long time.
Occasionally I will see a roadkill on 27 but it’s also rare now.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 8:42 am to choupiquesushi
Oh yeah, it has been known and studied forever that the Coyotes in Galveston and to the west into Freeport, etc. are Red Wolf hybrids. I've seen multiple with a distinct red tint to them in Freeport during the day.
ETA: TPWD Article
ETA: TPWD Article
This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 8:53 am
Posted on 6/30/26 at 8:51 am to KemoSabe65
Interesting... We have plenty in Jennings. I've had them in my yard during the daytime.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:16 am to choupiquesushi
I won’t claim to have dug too deep into it but I was always under the impression it was an accepted fact that hybridization with coyotes as they spread east was what wiped out the red wolf as opposed to outright extinction. Skimming through the paper it seems to imply this was established in the 70’s and is well documented.
Where does it say the black coloration comes from the red wolf? Same as above, have always red this was introduced from dogs and wasn’t very controversial.
Where does it say the black coloration comes from the red wolf? Same as above, have always red this was introduced from dogs and wasn’t very controversial.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:30 am to choupiquesushi
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(which are exceedingly rare)
I don't believe the black ones are "exceedingly rare". I have seen a couple killed in person and also seen a couple I didn't shoot. In different areas of the state also so it wasn't some localized issue.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:23 am to choupiquesushi
Definitely some larger coyotes that look more red wolf than coyote running around Calcasieu and even Beauregard Parish
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:38 am to Ron Cheramie
It also explains the "packing" as coyotes usually pair up and raise a litter - litter disperses pair stays together.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:43 am to choupiquesushi
quote:
It also expains the "black" coyotes which many wrongly thought were coy dogs(which are exceedingly rare).
They are becoming more common for sure.
Speaking of, black squirrels (the agouti coloration and melanistic) seem to be becoming pretty common now I remember as a kid seeing one in the woods and couldn’t get close enough to it and got upset. Now I seem to run into one or two each time I go hunting
Posted on 6/30/26 at 12:11 pm to choupiquesushi
Hope I won't be made fun of. My friends dad, said in the 50's and 60's, there were red wolves in Avoyelles Parish.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 1:00 pm to choupiquesushi
I thought we had this conversation years ago on here.
You told me they trapped the last majority red wolves not far from where I grew up hunting, a few miles from Lake Fausse Pointe in the mid 80s and relocated them somewhere in SC maybe.
One day as a teenager on an old board road in the woods, my friend and I came across a bigger than possible coyote looking animal that I could only guess was a wolf with reddish color. He hit the gas and with my shotgun hanging out the passenger window, I got off a shot that took its back legs out running. It rolled several times and got up like nothing. It was just birdshot.
I immediately went to my Uncle who crawfishes in the area and told him what we saw. He walked us out to a huge freezer he kept his pogey baits for crawfish in and said did it look like this. I promise you he had a red wolf over 100 lbs frozen in there.
You told me they trapped the last majority red wolves not far from where I grew up hunting, a few miles from Lake Fausse Pointe in the mid 80s and relocated them somewhere in SC maybe.
One day as a teenager on an old board road in the woods, my friend and I came across a bigger than possible coyote looking animal that I could only guess was a wolf with reddish color. He hit the gas and with my shotgun hanging out the passenger window, I got off a shot that took its back legs out running. It rolled several times and got up like nothing. It was just birdshot.
I immediately went to my Uncle who crawfishes in the area and told him what we saw. He walked us out to a huge freezer he kept his pogey baits for crawfish in and said did it look like this. I promise you he had a red wolf over 100 lbs frozen in there.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 1:17 pm to wahoocs
I know the Audubon Zoo in New Orleans and one in North Carolina, were breeding pure red wolves to try to keep a population around. They occasionally release them in the wild but they’ve had limited success establishing a population of them. They will breed with Coyotes and some dogs from what I remember.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 1:22 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:Davis Island is loaded with them. I have a picture of a black Bachman's from St. Francisville if you think it's worth posting.
Speaking of, black squirrels (the agouti coloration and melanistic) seem to be becoming pretty common now
Posted on 6/30/26 at 1:23 pm to Cycledude
The Alexandria Zoo has two.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 1:31 pm to Cycledude
The breeding with dogs is very very rare if at all.
Heart worms also effect red wolves big time- I don’t think any pure wolves have been released in La
Heart worms also effect red wolves big time- I don’t think any pure wolves have been released in La
Posted on 6/30/26 at 1:32 pm to wahoocs
Yes we did
Posted on 6/30/26 at 2:03 pm to choupiquesushi
They've been debating if Southern Red Wolves still existed in the wild in South La since I was at LSU in the early 90's.
The professor said it was highly unlikely 35 years ago because they gene pool was so diluted with coyotes.
The professor said it was highly unlikely 35 years ago because they gene pool was so diluted with coyotes.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 2:28 pm to REB BEER
quote:It was pretty widely accepted that the reds were gone completely by 1978 80. The reason the lineage probably make it to coyotes is their ranges over lapped as the red population was getting smaller the in breeding had likely been going on for awhile.
They've been debating if Southern Red Wolves still existed in the wild in South La since I was at LSU in the early 90's.
The professor said it was highly unlikely 35 years ago because they gene pool was so diluted with coyotes.
The coyotes I encountered in SW LA were always redder and bigger than the ones in the rest of the state. Except for a couple I saw in st landry parish.
all of the black coyotes I saw were in extreme SW acadia parish.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 4:31 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:
have always peaked my interest
I'm one of those. piqued
Posted on 6/30/26 at 5:17 pm to choupiquesushi
Not that rare because I had a coydog as a kid. My dad found it sitting next to it's mom's corpse by the road after she got run over. She was a full coyote. He had what we assumed was Shepherd in him. Great dog for a kid. He would swing on his own swing seat with me. Throw his feet across it and launch himself into the sky and hang on.
He had a pure hatred for my uncle though. No idea why but Beaux wanted to bite him and if he pulled up in his car he would sneak out into an ambush position, wait till he walked by him and attack from the back. Was crazy. He was great with everybody else.
He had a pure hatred for my uncle though. No idea why but Beaux wanted to bite him and if he pulled up in his car he would sneak out into an ambush position, wait till he walked by him and attack from the back. Was crazy. He was great with everybody else.
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