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re: Coyotes - new research prove what many said - gulf coast - red wolf genes

Posted on 6/30/26 at 5:47 pm to
Posted by Cowboyfan89
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 5:47 pm to
Yeah, as others have said, I don't know what they are "proving" that wasn't already known. The whole reason they captured the last remaining ones and moved them to North Carolina is because of the coyote and crossbreeding. The entire gene pool of the red wolf was being erased essentially. Now the population is 80 or so individuals in NC.

There are still people that believe the red wolf wasn't a unique species at all, that it was simply a cross between another wolf species and a coyote. Part of the argument is their readiness to breed with coyotes.

I studied the literature on them quite a bit in college. I've always been fascinated at the fauna that used to occur here: red wolves, bison, elk, jaguar.

Way back in the day, we even had Mastodons and American lions.
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 5:51 pm to
You may have had one but they are incredibly rare - Litter survival is brutal as male dogs don't stick around to raise a litter.
This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 5:53 pm
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 5:52 pm to
ditto on all what you said
Posted by Volt
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 7:06 am to
I wrote a research paper back in college about the red wolf. About all I remember is where they were said to be located and the possible cross with coyotes.

That was over 30 years ago.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 7:58 am to
There were a few red wolves around Gum Cove, Cameron Parish, in the early 1970's.

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The American Red Wolf (Canis rufus) is functionally extinct in the wild in Louisiana. Though officially extirpated from the state by the 1980s, recent research highlights that "ghost" red wolf genetics—making up to 69% of some animals' DNA—still survive in wild coyote populations along the Gulf Coast of Cameron Parish.



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"Ghost" Genetics in Louisiana"

Even though pure red wolves no longer roam the state, their genetic legacy lives on. Recent studies by the Wolf Conservation Center and Princeton researchers show that coyotes in the marshes of Southwest Louisiana possess surprisingly high amounts of red wolf DNA.These hybrid canids have physically adapted to the marshland environment, exhibiting longer legs and larger ears, and are larger than standard inland coyotes. Scientists believe these wetlands function as a genetic refuge and that these animals could play a pivotal role in red wolf recovery and conservation.


I remember seeing their prints in the mud and piles of feathers from crippled ducks eaten by them.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 8:01 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 8:42 am to
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I don't believe the black ones are "exceedingly rare".


I don't think that's what he meant. He meant the black yotes are actually red wolf hybrids. The DNA research is proving that out. He's saying (and I agree) that coy dog hybrids are, relative to the red wolf hybridization, exceedingly rare.

(At least I think that's what he meant.)
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 11:25 am to
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There were a few red wolves around Gum Cove, Cameron Parish, in the early 1970's.
yep that’s one of the spots they trapped them in
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 4:17 pm to
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yep that’s one of the spots they trapped them in


Rucie Odom's land?
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 4:40 pm
Posted by Night Vision
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 4:20 pm to
One of those shows on Discovery was doing DNA on a supposed Chupacabra body in TX and it had some dire wolf in it. Had some other DNA they had no match for as well.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 5:33 pm to
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I know the Audubon Zoo in New Orleans and one in North Carolina, were breeding pure red wolves to try to keep a population around. They occasionally release them in the wild but they’ve had limited success establishing a population of them. They will breed with Coyotes and some dogs from what I remember.


I indirectly knew some of the folks doing the Red Wolf reintroduction work in Eastern NC in the 1990s. They had radio collars on all the original wolves they released. One of the stories they told was they had a tracker kept pinging from the middle of this pond Dare Country, NC. At first they thought that somehow the wolf had shed the collar in the pond. Well, let's just say the Alligator River National Wildlife Refuge lived up to it's name that day as a huge gator came to the surface in the middle of the pond. It was about that time they figured it out.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 5:34 pm
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