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re: Concealed Carry National Reciprocity Bill
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:38 pm to SpeckledTiger
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:38 pm to SpeckledTiger
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say huh?
Heard that from several people, one being the chaplain for the sheriff’s department. Part of the state police background check is through the local authorities. If the Sheriff reports back to the state negatively then the permit gets declined. Makes sense to me.
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Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:56 pm to Chad504boy
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you're totally dismissing the fact that you won't be breaking gun laws. that's kind of important these days.
Being legal and being qualified are two separate issues. A permit makes you legal, not qualified.
Which one is more important?
Posted on 11/29/17 at 2:54 pm to Chad504boy
There should be no permit to carry. Carrying falls under the Second Amendment. Personal responsibility is the issue. Those who carry, if they are responsible, should get trained. Where is there a permit for any other constitutional right? Before you start on the lethality of the 2A, consider that under the First Amendment, people can accuse someone of sexual impropriety and destroy their lives, causing a few to commit suicide. I don't see anyone jumping up demanding a permit and training for talking. Enforce the laws on the book, and don't infringe on the rights of citizens.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 3:18 pm to Mung
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what happened to State's Rights?
Nothing. The Second Amendment was formally incorporated against the states in 2010 by the US Supreme Court.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 4:22 pm to HotKoolaid
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The only thing a permit does is show proof you paid, nothing more. Kind of like an inspection sticker. It's not proof of anything other than payment.
This is a horrible analogy.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 4:47 pm to Clames
quote:Sure, but this isn't the State's banning the ownership of arms, but regulating who gets to carry concealed arms. Some State have zero regs, which can now be exported to States that take the matter very seriously. Not cool.
Nothing. The Second Amendment was formally incorporated against the states in 2010 by the US Supreme Court.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:11 pm to HotKoolaid
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A permit helps separate the people willing to pay the tax from the those who aren't willing to pay the tax. The only thing a permit does is show proof you paid, nothing more. Kind of like an inspection sticker. It's not proof of anything other than payment.
You also have to take a safety course to apply for it. I agree with Chad on this one. CC permit at least separates those who have training with the gun and those who don't.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:15 pm to TheBoo
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You also have to take a safety course to apply for it. I agree with Chad on this one. CC permit at least separates those who have training with the gun and those who don't.
There is no evidence that suggests permits make anyone safer. The permit system is a money grabbing infringement. It is a barrier to entry to a right and I cannot get behind it
Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:30 pm to ChatRabbit77
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There is no evidence that suggests permits make anyone safer. The permit system is a money grabbing infringement. It is a barrier to entry to a right and I cannot get behind it
I understand your position, but that's my position.
I don't disagree that the permit is a money grab but I believe in order to carry concealed there needs to be proper training in place to help people understand the responsibility they are taking on when they decide to carry a gun. That helps separate responsible gun carriers from any hillbilly with a temper who wants to tuck a gun in their pants.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:33 pm to Mung
Maybe you should spend a few days studying up on the history of the whole "concealed weapon" thing and why the laws were created in the first place. The entire concept is bullshite and you might want to question why you've bought into the "merits" of it.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:37 pm to TheBoo
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CC permit at least separates those who have training with the gun and those who don't.
No, no it doesn't and there isn't a single shred of empirical evidence that supports your opinion. In fact, what research there is suggests that the more permissive the schemes covering CCW permitting, the better.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:41 pm to TheBoo
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That helps separate responsible gun carriers from any hillbilly with a temper who wants to tuck a gun in their pants.
This is an emotional argument. You are using a classic leftist argument against guns. How could you not apply this to normal gun ownership too? Do you think that we need licensing for guns to make sure some "hillbilly" doesn't kill people?
Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:45 pm to Clames
link?
Posted on 11/29/17 at 6:01 pm to PTBob
Posted on 11/29/17 at 6:10 pm to Clames
Posted on 11/29/17 at 6:30 pm to Clames
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The entire concept is bullshite and you might want to question why you've bought into the "merits" of it.
Hard pass
Posted on 11/29/17 at 7:31 pm to sparkinator
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Heard that from several people, one being the chaplain for the sheriff’s department. Part of the state police background check is through the local authorities. If the Sheriff reports back to the state negatively then the permit gets declined. Makes sense to me.
No. Just.... No.
Either your CH (criminal history) has a disqualifying charge or flag (i.e. Restraining Order) or it doesn't. The only thing you may have to do dealing with a Sheriffs Office is get the applicant fingerprint card done. The Sheriff can't say, Joe Blow is a POS and get you denied.
Now. A Sheriff office can issue a parish wide CC permit. Horse of a different color. But, those are basically worthless if you travel (obviously).
Posted on 11/30/17 at 6:48 am to 10MTNTiger
Made it through the house mark up in committee, could go to the full house as early as next week and the Rs say they have secured enough senators as sponsors to overcome a filibuster. Looking good so far. 
LINK
LINK
Posted on 11/30/17 at 7:31 am to 10MTNTiger
As mentioned before. What about states rights?
I know I am an advocate for states rights and an advocate for the ability to practice the second amendment freely.
But... this just seems like imposing political will while a certain party has the power.
Isn’t Louisiana’s concealed permit accepted in like 35 states? I’m asking because I’m unsure. If it is, then why force the few states with stricter gun laws to accept it. This seems like opening a huge can of worms.
How does it benefit anyone to force California to accept a Louisiana law?
I know I am an advocate for states rights and an advocate for the ability to practice the second amendment freely.
But... this just seems like imposing political will while a certain party has the power.
Isn’t Louisiana’s concealed permit accepted in like 35 states? I’m asking because I’m unsure. If it is, then why force the few states with stricter gun laws to accept it. This seems like opening a huge can of worms.
How does it benefit anyone to force California to accept a Louisiana law?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:32 am to 10MTNTiger
So much for states' rights.
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