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re: Buying a handgun
Posted on 5/3/12 at 10:05 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 5/3/12 at 10:05 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
ACTUALLY I had no idea how a glock worked prior to about 20 minutes ago. I had never really cared enough to find out.
I didn't remember exactly, but I had read it before. The thread just reminded me.
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Posted on 5/3/12 at 11:16 pm to AlxTgr
Alxtgr:
You know, when I first realized that you had taken offense to my initial post in this thread, I apologized, I attempted to provide explanations, and even tried to give you the 'benefit of the doubt" in case you were having a bad day. None of that satisfied you. I was subsequently called some pretty ugly names. And I then allowed myself to be drawn into a less than professional exchange as a result of the name calling -- and I fault myself for allowing that to happen.
In retrospect, I should have ignored the personal insults. I have wasted more time than could ever be justified, and come to realize that folks who simply enjoy arguing are not interested in valid explanations. I have decided to withdraw from this "discussion." It may have served some purpose for you, but I don't think I have derived any benefit, and certainly not any pleasure, from it.
Have a good day.
You know, when I first realized that you had taken offense to my initial post in this thread, I apologized, I attempted to provide explanations, and even tried to give you the 'benefit of the doubt" in case you were having a bad day. None of that satisfied you. I was subsequently called some pretty ugly names. And I then allowed myself to be drawn into a less than professional exchange as a result of the name calling -- and I fault myself for allowing that to happen.
In retrospect, I should have ignored the personal insults. I have wasted more time than could ever be justified, and come to realize that folks who simply enjoy arguing are not interested in valid explanations. I have decided to withdraw from this "discussion." It may have served some purpose for you, but I don't think I have derived any benefit, and certainly not any pleasure, from it.
Have a good day.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 11:24 pm to dawg23
Posted on 5/4/12 at 8:35 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
If I had to call it one of the two, I'd call it a double action since the trigger does perform two actions (actually more than that) in loading the striker before releasing it. I think of a single action as pulling the trigger doing nothing but dropping the sear i.e. performing a single action causing the gun to fire. Anything that does more than that is a double action IMO.
this is pretty much my opinion on the Glock. I am a newb to handguns. I dont necessarily want one to get in a quick draw contest, so alot of what the ccw people talk about doesnt apply to me. I mainly want one that is fun to shoot, easy on ammo costs, safe, reliable, and can kill zombies if and when needed.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 8:36 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:OK, but why?
If I had to call it one of the two, I'd call it a double action since the trigger does perform two actions
Let's look at history. You had single action revolvers. You know well how they work, and what one has to do to make it go boom. Then came double action revolvers. Again, you know well what happens when you pull on it, and what you can do with it.
Now look at the 1911. How does it shoot? What happens when the hammer is down and you pull the trigger?
Now compare a Glock with a 1911 and a Sig DAK. I do not believe we will get one contrary opinion on what action those last 2 are.
Which one does the Glock operate exactly like? The 1911.
I've waitied for Dawg to explain this and he simply chooses not too. He ignores the debate on this everwhere it's discussed and chooses to use conclusory statements and rely on definitions of an agency with zero discussion of why. Yeah, I called you names, but we reap what we sow, and you've sown well. Much of our pain is self-chosen...yada yada yada. BTW, have you edited the wiki page yet?
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:22 pm to KingRanch
quote:shithead
its for sure DA
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:24 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
shithead
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:30 pm to KingRanch
Pronounced: shih-TEED BTW.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:33 pm to AlxTgr
That's how I said it in my head
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:55 pm to AlxTgr
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AlxTgr
LINK
Here's a pretty good video showing the inter-workings. Skip to about 35 seconds.
I think the biggest difference in the examples you are using is they all have exposed hammers which a Glock does not. They really aren't DA or SA, but I think they are a little closer to a DA then SA.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:58 pm to AlxTgr
quote:only part i understand in this whole thread... daddy told me this in about the 6th grade..
you know well what happens when you pull on it, and what you can do with it.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:59 pm to Ole Geauxt
quote:
you know well what happens when you pull on it, and what you can do with it.
only part i understand in this whole thread... daddy told me this in about the 6th grade..
Posted on 5/4/12 at 2:06 pm to Glock17
quote:That I can buy, but
They really aren't DA or SA
quote:People keep saying this yet the gun functions just like SA and hardly anything like DA. I keep waiting for an explanation that makes sense.
I think they are a little closer to a DA then SA
Posted on 5/4/12 at 2:12 pm to AlxTgr
I think this dude points out the difficulty I am having with this,
quote:
A slight pet peeve of mine is the whole Double Action vs Single Action crap that goes on with semi-auto handguns. IMHO this gun is single action despite the fact Kahr says its double action only and pulling the trigger does actually perform two functions, cocking and releasing the stiker.
Here my reasons why. When you pull the trigger it does finish retracting the striker and then releases the striker to fire the cartridge. Sounds like double action but it’s not because if that cartridge fails to ignite pulling the trigger a second time does not cock and release the striker again to strike the cartridge. The slide cycling partially cocks the striker and the trigger pull only finish the cocking procedure. Now a Taurus Millennium Pro has a true double action trigger group and you can pull the trigger multiple times for a second, third or more strikes on a given cartridge.
So IMHO Glock, XD and Kahrs are more like single actions than double action no matter what any yahoo out there says. If you call a trigger mechanism Double Action then it should be able to repeatedly strike a fautly cartridge. If not then you should probably not call it Double Action, maybe its not Single Action but its definitely not Double Action.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 2:25 pm to AlxTgr
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quote:
If I had to call it one of the two, I'd call it a double action since the trigger does perform two actions
OK, but why?
Because pulling the trigger performs more than a single action.
I'd call it a 1.5 action. It's more of a double action than a single action.
I get what you're saying. The argument really isn't applicable IMO because, as you pointed out, double and single action are terms from the wheelgun days, and the plastic guns don't have many similarities between them and much of the terminology doesn't apply to both. The 1911 can be called a single action no doubt because the trigger doesn't do a damn thing other than drop the sear.
ETA: Hit submit too early. Other semi's can no doubt be called double action because the trigger cocks a hammer and then drops it. Striker fired guns are a completely different device.
This post was edited on 5/4/12 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 5/4/12 at 2:31 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:But in the real world of firing a round, it does not.
Because pulling the trigger performs more than a single action.
quote:It's way more of a single than double. It's not even close. Why are we totally forgetting what's really important? The firing of a round.
It's more of a double action than a single action.
quote:True, but itworks fine with other slide guns with hammers like Sigs, CZ, 1911's etc.
The argument really isn't applicable IMO because, as you pointed out, double and single action are terms from the wheelgun days, and the plastic guns don't have many similarities between them and much of the terminology doesn't apply to both.
quote:I get that they have no hammer, but they can be made to work just like other guns and have been made to do so for a very long time.
Striker fired guns are a completely different device
Posted on 5/4/12 at 2:37 pm to AlxTgr
I don't think double action=double strike. The term double action refers to the trigger performing both the cocking and dropping of a hammer. Single action refers to the hammer only dropping the sear.
The glock trigger half-cocks the striker and drops it. That's more than a double action. Once it's down the trigger does nothing, like a single action. If you HAVE to apply a term to it, I think it has to be called a 1.5 action.
None of those are striker-fired and it's much easier to apply the terms.
The glock trigger half-cocks the striker and drops it. That's more than a double action. Once it's down the trigger does nothing, like a single action. If you HAVE to apply a term to it, I think it has to be called a 1.5 action.
quote:
itworks fine with other slide guns with hammers like Sigs, CZ, 1911's etc.
None of those are striker-fired and it's much easier to apply the terms.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 2:45 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
If a revolver trigger brought the hammer back half way and stopped, but would not fire the round, you'd call that double action? If so, then there is no longer a reason to have the terms. They are meaningless.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 2:51 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
If a revolver trigger brought the hammer back half way and stopped, but would not fire the round, you'd call that double action?
Do you mean dropped the hammer and the cartridge didn't fire or just half cocked it and nothing else?
I don't get the purpose of the argument. The glock is neither double nor single action. It is striker-fired. Double action triggers cock and drop the hammer. Single action triggers only drop the hammer. The glock fits into neither category.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 2:53 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:Half cocked then nothing else.
Do you mean dropped the hammer and the cartridge didn't fire or just half cocked it and nothing else?
quote:I hate misinformation. There are requirements for DAO, and people are fudging the definition to be able to use Glocks.
I don't get the purpose of the argument.
quote:It's clearly single.
The glock is neither double nor single action
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