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re: Bob’s Bayou Black Marina will likely close on March 1st, 2019

Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:06 am to
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1823 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:06 am to
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are the oil companies off the hook for erosion due to man made canals?


Are they even ON the hook now? I've seen complaints they are at fault, but don't know of anything that holds them legally accountable.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

Problem is, Williams is gating the the canal going from the marina,


Destroy gate. Problem solved.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

I've seen complaints they are at fault, but don't know of anything that holds them legally accountable.



They should be on the hook. Our State governement has means to hold them accountable, just not the will.

Their permits require backfilling o f the canals..... Nobody has ever enforced it.
Posted by diehard24
Member since Oct 2006
520 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:50 pm to
No way this bill will pass. If it did, get ready for numerous legal challenges and demands for just compensation by landowners.

What I worry about is this bill may make landowners think about gating the canals so they could be grandfathered in the next time a similar bill is attempted.
Posted by Triton TR 196
Pineville
Member since Nov 2015
159 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:17 pm to
Who's fish are they taking? Did the land owner purchase said fish or did the so called poacher take the fish his tax dollars and license purchase utilize to manage such fish? This isn't crossing someone's dry field to go fish in their pond that they spent their hard earned money own. No they want everyone else to help share the cost load but reap the rewards of having a private fishery. I say if you are going to gate it off, fine that's your property do as you wish, but don't just gate, build a levee pump the states water out and remove all the states tax payers fish out, then restock your private pond with what you want. Like another poster said above. This state is so full of greed it is slowly consuming itself.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49840 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:27 pm to
That is a terrible argument


All game, deer, ducks, fish, are free to roam and are owned by no one. They are a public resource.

When a deer crosses a boundary no one argues that they should have a right to go kill it
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1823 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

numerous legal challenges and demands for just compensation by landowners. 


Compensation for the taking of what?
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49840 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:32 pm to
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Compensation for the taking of what?

If you bought 100 aces at $2500/acre. Half of it is ponds/canals and half is dry land.

Now, the state comes in and says that you still "own" the 50 acres where the water is but anyone has access to it


You don't see where a land owner would want to be compensated on acreage that he must pay taxes on but anyone can have access to?
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86493 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:35 pm to
The inability to use logic in this area is mind boggling.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86493 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:36 pm to
The Crooks opinion should come down any Wednesday now.
Posted by Black
My own little world
Member since Jul 2009
22244 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:38 pm to
Dam off any major waterways leading to said ponds/canals. You keep the land and the water within. If said water doesn't flow and becomes stagnant, so be it. It's your water. If your pond/canals fills from rainwater/overflow, then you keep it.

You care about the land, not the water, right? Finding a way to access your lease is your problem, not mine.


Probably a dumb argument, but just spit-balling
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1823 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:38 pm to
I can see that mindset, but you as the landowner still have more rights to it that joe public that can only float in and float out on occasion. You are free to built permanent structures, etc... this is no different that how it's done across other coastal states. You also still have water bottom rights and depending on what exactly you bought may have mineral rights as well.
Posted by Triton TR 196
Pineville
Member since Nov 2015
159 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:40 pm to
I'm Not sure how to use the quote function so(they are a public resource) which means you and I own those fish or deer. The state just regulates the harvest rates of such animals because it has been recognized that the citizens are not smart enough to regulate the harvest themselves. So if Clyde's cows come onto my property are they mine now to slaughter or are they still his cows that just so happened to get on my property? Just because I own the property doesn't mean I own what wanders onto it. Why does the state mandate that if you build a high fence that you must make every attempt to remove all wildlife from the area before completing the enclosure? Because those deer are owned by the citizens not by the landowner!!
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
40594 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:54 pm to
The water and fish/game are irrelevant. This is strictly a private property rights issue.

What this bill is trying to establish is basically a right of way for all connected water. Pardon the pun, but it doesn't hold water. Think about dry ground. If your property is landlocked and you have a right of way across my property to access yours, can you stop and hunt or fish my property just because you are sitting on the right of way? The answer is still no.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86493 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:11 pm to
Gate or no gate, you can't go in there. No different than ducks/deer/squirrels etc. It's just a terrible argument.
Posted by JAB528
The Mexican Ocean
Member since Jun 2012
16870 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

You don't see where a land owner would want to be compensated on acreage that he must pay taxes on but anyone can have access to?


Exactly. My family owns 42 acres in the marsh in golden meadow, only about 8 are dry, guess what, we still have to pay taxes and assume liability on all 42. That is what the numbskulls don’t understand.
Posted by Triton TR 196
Pineville
Member since Nov 2015
159 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:14 pm to
So fill in all the water and make the property land locked then if we are not worrying about the wildlife that is swimming or landing in said waterway. Lol I see your point but its not really an apples to apples comparison.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
71079 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:18 pm to
Same issue i have and i dont want to be compensated on it. I want to keep it.
Posted by JAB528
The Mexican Ocean
Member since Jun 2012
16870 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:19 pm to
Exactly. We bought it, we keep care of it, we pay the taxes on it, damn us for not wanting people to trespass.
Posted by Dock Holiday
Member since Sep 2015
1823 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

What this bill is trying to establish is basically a right of way for all connected water. 


That is correct and as it should being many cases.

quote:

Think about dry ground. 


Only in Louisian does this mindset permeate and gets continually used as a talking point for water access.

Dry ground is not the same legally as air and water in almost every state and at the federal level.

Air and water are legally different than terra firma... in most cases/states...
and are considered public things.

Navigate any coastal waters outside of Louisiana and you'll appreciate the lack of controversy others have. This is also starting to be noticed nationally (BASS pulling out of tourneys here) and it's beginning to cost us $$$$.

Bayou Black announcing it's closure due to this issue is another example, but locally.

Not recognizing we have an uniquie legal problem here in Louisiana is akin to planting our proverbial heads in the sand. The status quo is not cutting it.
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