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re: ATF brace rule has been published
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:04 am to CamdenTiger
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:04 am to CamdenTiger
Here is another thing to think about.
The new ruling DOES NOT require the lower to be engraved like a normal SBR. Let’s assume you play along and get your pistol a free tax stamp. Let’s also assume you disassemble it one day and make it a regular 16” rifle. Let’s also assume that you sell it to your buddy years down the road. You have now also committed a felony because that serial number is registered as a SBR, albeit not engraved as to make it obvious. NFA items can be transferred, but they must go through an SOT - Orr authorized ffl holder with the authority to do so.
Your buddy who bought the gun has no idea that it is an NFA item and he is committing a felony as well. It’s almost like they put zero thought into this deal and are hearing these issues as they go.
The new ruling DOES NOT require the lower to be engraved like a normal SBR. Let’s assume you play along and get your pistol a free tax stamp. Let’s also assume you disassemble it one day and make it a regular 16” rifle. Let’s also assume that you sell it to your buddy years down the road. You have now also committed a felony because that serial number is registered as a SBR, albeit not engraved as to make it obvious. NFA items can be transferred, but they must go through an SOT - Orr authorized ffl holder with the authority to do so.
Your buddy who bought the gun has no idea that it is an NFA item and he is committing a felony as well. It’s almost like they put zero thought into this deal and are hearing these issues as they go.
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:20 am to latech15
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The new ruling DOES NOT require the lower to be engraved like a normal SBR. Let’s assume you play along and get your pistol a free tax stamp. Let’s also assume you disassemble it one day and make it a regular 16” rifle. Let’s also assume that you sell it to your buddy years down the road. You have now also committed a felony because that serial number is registered as a SBR, albeit not engraved as to make it obvious. NFA items can be transferred, but they must go through an SOT - Orr authorized ffl holder with the authority to do so.
If someone does they are stupid whether this rule was made or not.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:32 am to LordSnow
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I aint registering shite
This is the way. The left wants to ban the 2A and this is how it starts.
If you choose to register, dont bitch when the ATF "loses" your paperwork then seizes all your weapons for you being in possession of illegal weapons.
Make the weapons compliant by taking off the braces or extending the barrel and wait it out.
ETA: Can we get Oweo to file a "discrimination against persons with handicaps" lawsuit?
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 7:37 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:34 am to kengel2
all of these SBR regs are practically unenforceable. For years I had a 10” barrel (perfectly legal to buy) for my UZI and just swapped it in and out whenever I wanted. It takes less than a minute and no tools. Technically I was an NFA felon.
it’s just dumb, all of it. I include the idea of a “pistol brace” in that dumbness BTW. It’s a stock, you know it and I know it
it’s just dumb, all of it. I include the idea of a “pistol brace” in that dumbness BTW. It’s a stock, you know it and I know it
Posted on 2/1/23 at 7:46 am to cgrand
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all of these SBR regs are practically unenforceable.
And this is why I love louisiana. We dont require a bill of sale for anything. Simply, tell them you sold it before the deadline and you dont remember who you sold it to, but you have no reason to believe they couldnt legally possess the item.
Boom.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:04 am to kengel2
SBR regs are unenforceable in practice because the very reason the regs exist is stupid. There is no demonstrable reason why a barrel less than 16” in length is in any way more dangerous or in need of regulations than any other.
The whole thing is dumb and is why the constant development of loophole workarounds will always be with us. And that’s what a pistol brace is, an attempt to sidestep a stupid regulation thru a technical loophole
The whole thing is dumb and is why the constant development of loophole workarounds will always be with us. And that’s what a pistol brace is, an attempt to sidestep a stupid regulation thru a technical loophole
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:56 am to GREENHEAD22
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Is this not expected to be contested in court?
I tracked down the Complaint in the suit alluded to earlier. The plaintiffs have sought a TRO and injunction, which would prohibit the ATF from enforcing the rule pending the outcome of the case. The whole suit is here, and the TRO/injunction request are in the Prayer for Relief at the end.
LINK
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:18 am to cgrand
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There is no demonstrable reason why a barrel less than 16” in length is in any way more dangerous or in need of regulations than any other.
Exactly. Trying to say a 9mm with a 3-4” barrel and a “stock” needs to be regulated because it’s more dangerous than a AR-15 is ridiculous.
It’s all ridiculous though.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:39 am to lsufan1971
Oh heck, all my guns were on that boat too!
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:21 am to Scoob
Information grab is all this is by simple minded idiots that will actually follow thru with paperwork.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:38 am to One More Shot
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:38 pm to PureBlood
quote:This is what I'm doing for now, have a few smooth buffer tubes on the way. I ordered them before they doubled in price.
Make the weapons compliant by taking off the braces or extending the barrel and wait it out.
Just for extra security, I'm probably going to give the braces to my brother. He doesn't have any AR uppers shorter than 16", so they'd simply be extra stocks if he needed. Nothing illegal with that according to this rule, so he wouldn't be at risk.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:37 pm to Scoob
6 position buffer tubes are legal on a pistol. The ATF had webex meetings this week with ffl holders and explained that in detail. You don’t have to have a smooth buffer tube.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:04 pm to kengel2
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Simply, tell them you sold it before the deadline and you dont remember who you sold it to, but you have no reason to believe they couldnt legally possess the item.
Don’t lie to them. That is a crime. Just tell them you have nothing to say, or to ‘have a nice day’. The less you say, the better off you are. Let a lawyer speak for you.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 2:45 am to 21zereaux
This thread should be stickied temporarily until the new lawsuits are sorted out. Keep the info in the forefront of everyone’s minds that visit the outdoor board.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 5:33 am to finchmeister08
I would like to see how many people that have taken the time post on this thread have also taken the 5 minutes it takes to call their rep and senators.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:19 am to latech15
quote:Did not know that, and that's good to learn;
6 position buffer tubes are legal on a pistol. The ATF had webex meetings this week with ffl holders and explained that in detail. You don’t have to have a smooth buffer tube.
So basically, lose the brace itself, then? Just take them off, donate them to a friend or family member who doesn't have the less-than-16" barreled firearm, and everyone is good in the eyes of the state.
quote:That was my intent, to have a thread with straight info, and not opinions or complaints. There's so much conflicting stuff out there.
This thread should be stickied temporarily until the new lawsuits are sorted out. Keep the info in the forefront of everyone’s minds that visit the outdoor board.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:26 am to civiltiger07
quote:got a stack of form letter responses to prove it. They don’t give a fat shite. All they care about is buzzwords and fundraising
I would like to see how many people that have taken the time post on this thread have also taken the 5 minutes it takes to call their rep and senators.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:39 am to cgrand
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got a stack of form letter responses to prove it
I said call, not send a form letter.
They do care about phone calls. I called Graves, Kennedy and Cassidy.
I could tell Kennedy's office was taking this seriously. As soon as I mentioned the ATF Rule the guy said that they were already working on bills because of this ruling, and they are working on almost punishing the ATF for even making this ruling.
Cassidy's office just said "I will let the senator know" but we already know Cassidy is a shill.
Graves office did seem like they were taking this seriously as well.
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