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re: ATF brace rule has been published
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:40 pm to Clames
Posted on 8/24/23 at 7:40 pm to Clames
Yea don’t get me wrong I think the whole thing is stupid af. I only decided to do it since I might slide out with some free SBRs I wanted anyway…some of my tax money back. The one snag is idk what they will do once they get slapped up in court. I don’t know if they will/can reverse all the amnesty form ones they approved. If they do I’ll put my braces back on or fork over the $ but I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it.
Meanwhile. Ohhh look. They are so different
stupid
Meanwhile. Ohhh look. They are so different
stupid 
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Posted on 8/25/23 at 9:12 am to NOLAGT
Do your amnesty forms look any different than your other tax stamps? Are there any identifying markings are your form to denote its a brace form?
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:16 am to kengel2
Same form, no stamp since no tax was paid. Another plus for me is I don't have to get these engraved. Not a big deal but something I didn't want to do.
Under the application type C is checked off that reads:
On the approval line it reads
End of the PDF has
I stopped reading all the info once I submitted but I don't recall seeing anything funny tucked away to reverse the approved applications once they lose the court case but time will tell.
Under the application type C is checked off that reads:
quote:
Tax Exempt. Firearm is not subject to the making tax pursuant to Title 26 U.S.C. §§ 7801, 7805. To confirm the application qualifies for tax-free registration, ATF may require additional supporting documentation, such as photographs of the firearm to be registered.
On the approval line it reads
quote:
APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS - SEE CONDITIONS ON THE LAST PAGE OF PDF
End of the PDF has
quote:
Pursuant to ATF Final Rule 2021R-08F.
I stopped reading all the info once I submitted but I don't recall seeing anything funny tucked away to reverse the approved applications once they lose the court case but time will tell.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:17 am to NOLAGT
quote:
NOLAGT
What stock do you have on your APC9? That looks sharp.
I have a telescopic brace on mine with the Gear Head Tailhook.
Really like how compact it is with it. Wanting to find a similar one for my SP5K.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:33 am to bbvdd
Its a apc45 yea I like it...little heavy tho. Its a ACR stock with a Dan Hagar or something like that adapter. I grabbed it long ago before the stopped making them for when the day came I would sbr it. The one on the 308 was destine for some big bore builds im doing but should work well on that one too.
This post was edited on 8/25/23 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 8/25/23 at 11:42 am to NOLAGT
quote:
APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS
Well shite, was hoping it was just the standard with the stamp.
Posted on 8/25/23 at 12:28 pm to kengel2
quote:
Well shite, was hoping it was just the standard with the stamp.
The reason is you are not paying the tax for a stamp so you don't get one. In 1968 there were no stamps either for the amnesty applications of machine guns.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 6:37 pm to turkish
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:46 pm to Don Quixote
NFA next
Posted on 11/10/23 at 6:33 am to Don Quixote
frick the terrorist organization known as the ATF!
Repeal the NFA and disband the ATF
Repeal the NFA and disband the ATF
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:15 am to beerJeep
All those disabled veterans who wanted to go to the gun range must be really happy.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:47 am to Porpus
quote:
All those disabled veterans who wanted to go to the gun range must be really happy.
Alot of people should be really happy. The short barrel rifle and shotgun restrictions should never have been in the NFA.
It was put there because handguns were slated to be included in the NFA. Handgun restrictions were being pushed by women groups and they wanted to include weapons they thought could be concealed. During the 73rd Congress, the NRA did fight to keep handguns off the NFA and succeeded by talking about how sportsmen would need them for personal protection; however, the rocket scientists who thought they championed hunters and sportsmen in the committee couldn't understand why shotguns and rifles with barrels under 18 inches would be needed by hunters.
It would later get amended twice years later to the current 16 inch rifle restriction.
All this could have been avoided if the imbeciles in the 73rd Congress threw out the concealed weapons restriction when handguns were taken out the bill.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 3:49 pm to HeadSlash
quote:My sentiments too, but I don't think this ruling leads to that.
NFA next
This is getting shot down on legal technicalities; they discussed a rule addressing braces, and put out a checklist that WAS SUPPOSED to prepare the general public for the new rules. And then, what they ACTUALLY published had zero to do with the checklist at all, it was entirely different.
As I understand it, that's what the court ruled was out of line. It was a bait and switch, which they can't do
Posted on 11/10/23 at 3:55 pm to Scoob
quote:
This is getting shot down on legal technicalities
Not my understanding at all.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:35 pm to Scoob
I hope everyone ignored this BS from AFT, like I said to do from the very start.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:22 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
I hope everyone ignored this BS from AFT, like I said to do from the very start.
I know I will get downvoted on this but I sent my paperwork in and received my approval last week. I can now take the damn arm brace off my short barrel rifle and put a functional stock on it. A lot more practical for my application.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:47 pm to highcotton2
quote:
I can now take the damn arm brace off my short barrel rifle and put a functional stock on it. A lot more practical for my application.
Just don’t cross state lines with it unless you file the proper paperwork.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:20 pm to turkish
quote:LINKquote:
This is getting shot down on legal technicalities
Not my understanding at all.
They go over it on Armed Attorneys.
They list it out. The ATF was supposed to present the proposed rule for public review, but what they gave us wasn't at all what they presented. That's what the courts cited, and it was a no-doubter on that basis. They don't address any 2nd Amendment stuff, just that the ATF didn't follow correct procedure.
So while the nationwide injunction is granted, the ATF in theory could start over again, and play by the rules this time, and we'd be back to the same issue.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 8:21 am to Scoob
quote:
NFA next
My sentiments too, but I don't think this ruling leads to that.
The reason I said NFA next is because of the 5th circuit judge saying a brace and a stock should be allowed for greater safety. Not verbatim but that's how I remember. Could be wrong.
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