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Anyone into reloading?

Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:37 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13347 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:37 pm
Thinking about investing in a Lee Classic Cast single stage press. Want to get into reloading for .223/5.56, .40SW, .270 Win, 30-06, 30-30, and 45.

I know by the time you buy bullets, powders, brass, primers, tumbler, media, scales, etc, you probably aren't money ahead for a long time, but then there is value in not being cut off from supply, should the democrats go hard after ammo.

Just wondering if it is all worth it, from those who do it, or have done it.
Posted by Bagger Joe
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2014
853 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:53 pm to
Most people who use a single stage press load small batch rifle rounds. When you start getting into pistol and 223/556, it will be very time consuming. A progressive stage press is best for those. The value in loading your own isn't necessarily in saving money but making a round that best suits your gun and needs. There is a costly rabbit hole you can go down very easily here. If you just want to reload stock rounds, that's one thing, but when you start wanting to do custom, you will need additional equipment.


I reload custom pistol rounds exclusively (9mm) and it's been well worth it for me and I enjoy reloading. The politics of it are that at any time one of the components, like primers, could be regulated and halt your production.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24958 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:59 pm to
It’s a hobby for me more than a cost savings and I was excited when my wife took a nice buck with one of my hand loads. Even buying new brass it’s a bit cheaper per round than new factory loads and more like 25% cost the second time you shoot that brass. Problem I have is that I tend to just keep buying brass and stockpiling.... reloading and hoarding go hand in hand.

I have the rock chucked supreme kit from RCBS and have been very happy with that setup.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13347 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:02 pm to
I think that I would enjoy it as well, as a winter time hobby. I just can't decide if it is worth the initial investment. I can't really see myself doing much custom loads or anything like that.

If I'm following you, that means I should look harder at a progressive loader/press?
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 3:03 pm
Posted by dragboatscott
Member since Mar 2007
422 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:06 pm to
I did it for a long time but I don't anymore, just dont have time now. I got into it to make my guns shoot the way I wanted them to and I really enjoyed it. Don't get into to it to save money, you'll have to shoot ALOT before that happens. As far as the Democrats go, I'm sure if it get to the point of restricting ammo they'll restrict components too. I guess you'd just have to hoard powder and bullets. I started with RCBS tools but eventually had things from several manufacturers. The old rock chucker single stage press was all I ever used. Its pretty rewarding to run your own loads through the chronograph and shoot groups as small as you want.
Posted by arbe25
Member since Sep 2017
388 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:09 pm to
Whether it is worth it really depends on several things: What caliber do you want to reload? How often do you shoot? Are you trying to squeeze more accuracy out of a set up?


Specifically for you, if you are reloading .223 to plink with the AR, it may not be worth it because .223 is so cheap right now. However, if you are reloading .223 to get more accuracy out of a varmint rifle, it might be worth it.

Certainly worth it if you are trying to get more accuracy out of your .270, 30-06 and 30-30.


Probably not worth it to reload those particular pistol calibers unless you do a ton of shooting.

Also, keep in mind that reloading in volume on a single stage press is going to take some time. You're not going to be pumping out hundreds of rounds at a time.

There is certainly something to be said for having the ability to do it yourself should something ever happen and some people just enjoy doing it as a hobby whether it saves them any money or not.

I reload for .223, 300 BO, 6.5 Grendel. I can reload for .40 S&W and 9mm but don't because it's so cheap.

Where i really save money is on the subsonic 300 BO ammo. I shoot it quite a bit and it's expensive to buy but pretty cheap to reload.
Posted by Bagger Joe
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2014
853 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:15 pm to
It depends on how much you shoot. If you shoot your pistols at least once a month and go through a lot of rounds, then it may be worth your time to look into a progressive. I have a Dillon 550B (which I don't think they make anymore) and can change out the dies on the head unit and base plate in minutes. It reloads pistol and rifle rounds. Have a look at the link below. Yes, they are expensive machines but have a lifetime warranty and are very easy to deal with. I reload approximately 5-6000 rounds a year and have never had an issue with mine.

Dillon Precision
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13347 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:33 pm to
I thank everyone for the responses.

What I'm kind of hearing is I probably shouldn't get into it, for what I'm shooting, and how often. I shoot about once a month, running 50 or so through a .40 and a .45, probably nearly that many through a .357 revolver, and then plink anywhere from 100 to 300 through a couple of ARs.

My primary reason for lookin into it wasn't to save money, but to prevent the government from making them useless by drying up the ammo supply. I believe that is where we are headed.
Posted by Bagger Joe
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2014
853 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:42 pm to
I'm not trying to discourage you. It can be a very rewarding hobby but it does take some time. As said above, if it comes down to restricting ammo, all they will need to do is restrict one of our reloading components and we are out of business. You can only stockpile so much.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:52 pm to
Right now I only reload 45 colt with a lee loader (the kind you beat with a hammer). I love it. 50 rounds takes me about an hour if I'm in no hurry. I guess all together with a balance and scoops I have $70 or so of shite.

I have a lee hammer loader for .30-06 and .30-30 as well but I havent used them yet. Hoping to start this summer.
Posted by hophead
Member since Nov 2007
1972 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:03 pm to
I got into it last year and I love it. Never calculated if I've saved any money, but I learned a lot and my guns are dead on right now. It was cool to see how stretching the bullet (seat closer to the lands) impacts your grouping.
Posted by tb27688
Member since Jul 2011
1201 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:22 pm to
You can save a lot of money if you reload magnum type calibers but probably not if you are only going to shoot the calibers you mentioned in your initial post. The last 2 boxes of Weatherby cartridges I bought at Bass Pro were about $160. It costs me about $20 a box to reload.
Posted by jdavid1
Member since Jan 2014
2466 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:24 pm to
It's a good hobby, but it can get expensive starting out. I spent more on case prep stuff than I did on the actual press. Not to mention all the dies and shell plates.

If you just want to reload some rifle rounds to tailor to specific guns then a single stage would be fine. If you want to stock up or do anything more than 50-100 rounds in a sitting I would recommend the progressive press.
Posted by dragboatscott
Member since Mar 2007
422 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:25 pm to
This is exactly why I got into it. Take most any factory ammo and look at how much cannelure is exposed from round to round. Once you find out how much jump your barrel likes those groups get alot smaller.
Posted by Bama Shadow
Member since Jan 2009
575 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 4:36 pm to
I reload to save money on my handgun and for accuracy on my rifle. I bought a mold and started casting pistol bullets and can shoot my 454 Casull for .06 per round. What helped was I already had the lead furnace and powder coating from making fishing lures. On my rifle I have a Savage Axis in 270 that shot about 1.5" at 100 yds with factory ammo. I have developed 2 loads for it that shoot about .5". A 130gr Interbond over 59 grains of H4831 that goes about 3000 fps and a 140 grain Hornady BTSP over RL-26 at about 3050 fps. For shotgun I did both by saving money and producing a better shell than Win AA or Rem STS.

As far as the press, I have an RCBS and a Lee and both work fine. Yes loading pistol on a single stage is time consuming and if I shot a lot of volume I would definitely look at a progressive of some kind.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7720 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:59 pm to
For 270,30-06,30-30 yes. Single stage for pistol and 556? No way. I have a lee classic cast and it's one of the best presses in the market. I wouldn't try to load fir volume though. I'll load 20-50 precision rifle rds though. I buy ammo in 9mm and 22lr. I handload for my rifles.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

reload to save money on my handgun


Me too. 45 colt goes from prohibitively expensive to shoot to cheap cheap with reloading
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6813 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:51 pm to
troyt37,
Yes, I'm into hand loading! Been doing it >35 years using the same press I started with, a Lee Classic 3 Hole Turret. Handloading's an integral part of my hunting experience. I don't remember the last time I killed a deer using a factory load. I suggest you consider the turret press instead of a single stage press. The turret is twice as fast as the single stage, but not nearly as fast as a progressive. The turret is easily converted to a single stage. One way to increase your volume when using a single stage or turret is to use a powder charger instead of weighing each round. If you're mainly anticipate loading high volume for handguns or plinking 223/5.56, you can find an acceptable powder charger that's not very expensive.

As far as cost vs benefit ratio, I had the same discussion this weekend w/ my son who's thinking about starting hand loading. What I recommended to him (and everyone else) is don't expect to save lots of money; expect to shoot more for the same amount (or slightly less) of money. One benefit of hand loading is being able to load for rounds that are hard to find or not loaded by the factory. For example, a large part of my hand loading is for rounds not available by the factories (or are cost prohibitive) like the 22, 6mm and 25 Rem Bench Rest, 284 Winchester w/ 140 gr Nosler Accubond bullet and 260 Rem w/ 120 gr Speer bullet..I like to hunt w/ different bullets and combinations that may not otherwise be available. Now days I usually load 10-15 rounds for each gun before dee season.

I share a lot more thoughts and recommendations on equipment at this old thread. I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have. Keep us updated.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
25019 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:16 pm to
I've been reloading now for a few years. Started with a Dillon 550b and still have it and love it. Its fast for pistol and higher volume rifle (.223 and .300blk)

I've recently built my own rifle with the goal of shooting long rang (600+). I've gotten pretty stupid with reloading for it as I've bought a arbor press, LE Wilson dies, Autotrickler powder dispenser, annealing machine, case trimmer, neck turning, etc. I'm trying to get the standard deviation on my loads down in the low single digits.

I'm almost there, at 100yds my rifle is shooting .316" with a 5 shot grouping. It's a 6.5 creedmoor and I'm pushing 143g eld-x 2840fps if I remember correctly.

Its a fascinating hobby to me and I really do love trying to figure out how it all works together.

All that said, I wouldn't do it another way, I really enjoy the dillon and would recommend anyone to get one.
I bought my FIL one to get him started in the hobby and recommended the same to one of my closest friends.

Posted by McCaigBro69
TigerDroppings Premium Member
Member since Oct 2014
45086 posts
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:20 pm to
My step-dad does this. He thinks the world is going to go to shite pretty quick and does it to stockpile ammo though

He seems to enjoy the activity as well for whatever that’s worth.
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