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re: 2WD vs 4WD
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:37 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:37 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
I've had a 4x4 for about 3 years now and put it into 4WD on 4 occasions. All in soft panhandle sand at not by design kayak launches.
I'll never own another 2WD truck, because I would've been stuck as shite a long way from civilization on each occasion. Crawled out with ease in 4 low
I'll never own another 2WD truck, because I would've been stuck as shite a long way from civilization on each occasion. Crawled out with ease in 4 low
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 9:42 am
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:52 am to Ace Midnight
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(ETA: Particularly full size trucks and even 3/4 Ton - they're so heavy, you're begging for trouble getting into the shite with them. Unless it's a purpose built overland vehicle, you want to be as light as possible with a 4WD off-road.)
Full size 4 WD trucks are nearly useless off road...only marginally better than a 2 WD and about on par if you know how to lock a limited slip differential....for those that don't, apply a little brake and both tires will turn. The bigger the truck the more useless it becomes. I use a 1 ton 4WD truck to drag a 20 foot trailer into plowed fields on a regular basis during goose season...it is a VERY specific application where towing power is required to be coupled with at least 2 wheels turning. It will not work most of the time without a locking differential that does not require braking. I have never used a heavy arse diesel since I got a Ram 3500 stuck so bad in a field it took 2 tractors to get it out....the same field my partner was driving his Tahoe in with the same trailer.
If you are talking about gravel or paved boat ramps and the boat is no bigger than an aluminum bass boat just about anything will pull it out of the water....I pull my duck boat around the yard with an 18 HP Troy Bilt lawn tractor...its an 1860 with a 60HP tiller....BMT weighs about 1500 pounds. I can also drag my decoy trailer with the lawnmower. It weighs about 3000 pounds empty and about 70 tons when loaded with decoys, blinds and Vienna Sausages!
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:00 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
Go all out or don’t go at all baw
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:04 am to auggie
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quote:Ridgeline. AWD. Problem solved. AWD doesn't have a transfer case, so it doesn't have a low range capability, and it's a front wheel bias system. The main drive axle, is comparable to the weakest part of a 4 wheel drive system. To each his own, but I would break that crap in a week.
I can't speak to a Honda AWD but I have a buddy I hunt upland birds with who owns a big Land Rover....thing is like riding on a cloud on the road and is a sports car in handling and speed....but it will also go places where jeep owners will change the conversation to one of the weather....that Rover is, in my experience, as unstoppable as a street legal vehicle gets...and it is AWD that is lockable....has all kinds of traction setups that sense whats going on and adjusts power to the wheels when needed....but you can just put it in AWD and go.
We were hunting Huns in Washington last season and came on a rock crawler club event right in the path we were on to hunt. We had a 4 dog trailer behind us. There were rock crawlers broken and stopped by obstacles all over the place...and that Rover never slipped a tire that mattered....on the same trails...with a trailer behind it. And could run down the interstate at 110 MPH on cruise control in the lap of luxury. They are shitty vehicles....a maintenance nightmare and will only last about 150K then they are done completely....but they will outperform ANY ATV, UTV, Jeep, SUV, truck, dune buggy and even a motorcycle....and do it in decadent style and luxury. I wouldn't own one if you gave it to me because all Jaguars are crap....but the Rover will go places you can't walk...….
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:15 am to felps22
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I've had both. Almost never used the 4x4 but when I did use it boy was I happy that I had it.
This true BUT most people will, initially, let their 4WD PU get them into situations they wouldn't have considered in a 2 WD truck....especially when hunting....that rutted arse road is the end of the line in the 2WD....but the fist time you get there with an untested 4WD??? Its time to test it out...and then you are walking, just like you would be with the 2WD, only you aren't walking to the blind but back to the road to hitch a ride into town to get the 4WD unstuck. Most people usually learn their lesson and don't do it twice.
I always drive in in 2WD and only use 4WD when I am turning around to get out of a situation because a 4WD will allow you to drive into a situation where you can't self extract where staying in 2 WD will at least give you a shot at getting out. If you drove in in 4 WD and needed it youre gonna need it to get out....if you are stuck in 4WD you're stuck LOL.
the exception to this self imposed rule is dragging a decoy trailed into a field....it will do less damage in 4WD than it will getting it stuck and unstuck and there is nothing that will make a farmer madder than you digging a ditch in his wheat field with your truck....if you are allowed back again it is a rare farmer indeed!
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:18 am to Gtmodawg
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owns a big Land Rover.
That's a whole different animal, they have AWD and 4wd capabilities and have the center lock on them like a tractor, but they spend a lot of time in the shop. I think that the top of the line model, even has the geared hubs, so it increases the clearance of the chunk a few inches, without having to put on bigger tires.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:37 am to Gtmodawg
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This true BUT most people will, initially, let their 4WD PU get them into situations they wouldn't have considered in a 2 WD truck....especially when hunting....that rutted arse road is the end of the line in the 2WD....but the fist time you get there with an untested 4WD??? Its time to test it out...and then you are walking, just like you would be with the 2WD, only you aren't walking to the blind but back to the road to hitch a ride into town to get the 4WD unstuck. Most people usually learn their lesson and don't do it twice.
That's true a lot of times, 4wd aint magic either, it's got it's limitations and you have to know what they are. another thing that many people do, is try to go through bad spots really fast, then their momentum takes further into the crap before they get stuck. That's why I always try to creep in 4 wheel low, and not let the tires break loose. never dig myself a rut. Then, if I do lose traction, I can usually ease it back out, or at least won't have far to pull it out with the come along.
If you come up to a big long area of standing water on a logging road or any trail in the woods, you have to look at it close. If it has stuff floating on the top, nobody has been through it recently. If leaves and debris are washed up around the sides, somebody has been through it recently and you can probably make it too. Just ease through it and never panic and gun it.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:46 am to auggie
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another thing that many people do, is try to go through bad spots really fast, then their momentum takes further into the crap before they get stuck.
That's the bona fide truth....any time you find yourself thinking a running start may be just the ticket to get you over whatever hump you need getting over its time to stop for a minute and think about it LOL....most times if it don't work it ends much worse than simply going slow....
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:50 am to auggie
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That's a whole different animal, they have AWD and 4wd capabilities and have the center lock on them like a tractor, but they spend a lot of time in the shop. I think that the top of the line model, even has the geared hubs, so it increases the clearance of the chunk a few inches, without having to put on bigger tires.
They do. They are shitty vehicles but there ain't a better offroad vehicle around...definitely a vehicle you want your buddy to buy! I almost bought one earlier this year then I regained consciousness and didn't....I am going to get rid of my 1 ton truck though and find a 2500 suburban with barn doors.....the best hunting vehicle ever built in my opinion. Thing will go about anywhere and can drag a decoy trailer places a PU cant. And my dog gets to ride in the heat!
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:57 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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All in soft panhandle sand at not by design kayak launches.
The 3-4 times I got stuck with a 2wd it was dry sand, not mud. Fine, dry sand will bite you.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:03 am to Gtmodawg
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going to get rid of my 1 ton truck though and find a 2500 suburban with barn doors.
The problem with the 1 ton, the suspension is just too stiff, when it's empty, they won't squat to get traction.
Another really good hunting vehicle, that has the barn doors is the early 90s Isuzu trooper. I've got a 91 that I bought new, it came with the chevy 2.8 liter v6, but everything from the flywheel to the tires is the same as a Toyota. That one has over 300,000 miles, and has never had but 1 minor breakdown, that was when the tensioner pully, for the serpentine belt broke. Awesome vehicles if you can find one in decent shape.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:09 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
I have a 2WD and pull a 20' triple pontoon up the ramp with no issues. I did put some AT tires on to replace the street tires and it did stop the spin on troublesome ramps.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:18 am to auggie
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The problem with the 1 ton, the suspension is just too stiff, when it's empty, they won't squat to get traction. Another really good hunting vehicle, that has the barn doors is the early 90s Isuzu trooper. I've got a 91 that I bought new, it came with the chevy 2.8 liter v6, but everything from the flywheel to the tires is the same as a Toyota. That one has over 300,000 miles, and has never had but 1 minor breakdown, that was when the tensioner pully, for the serpentine belt broke. Awesome vehicles if you can find one in decent shape.
The Trooper is a GREAT hunting wagon. I had one back in the early 90's and it had almost as many miles on it on rice field levees as it did highway miles and that thing was unstoppable! Too small to safely pull my decoy trailer in the Cascades and Rockies though.
I'd buy a forerunner today if it had a real third row of seating and they offered it in a 3/4 ton to pull the decoy trailer.
I am not sure my GMC 3500 has a suspension LOL...if it does it ain't working 'cause the thing will rattle your teeth. Better ride than my heavy duty F250 was though...I am positive that thing did not have a rear suspension. I hit a rail road crossing on a 4 lane state highway in west Texas with that truck one night at 70 MPH and I still don't know how I am alive....the thing almost did a 180 and the front end starting shimmying like both tires had blown.....damn near lost my dog box off the back of that truck. It was towing machine but very dangerous when empty.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:59 am to auggie
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Tell you what, try pulling your boat out of the water, on a steep boat ramp, when a sudden storm blows up, and you get your boat on the trailer, but the waves are washing over the back of your boat, and it's full of water and heavy as hell. That's when you are either glad that you have 4 wheel low, or sorry that you don't have it.
Our pontoon is probably 4-4.5k lbs wet. Zero problems pulling it out of a wet or muddy steep ramp. Only once did I ever get a hint of wheel spin and that was just me giving it a little too much skinny pedal. The AWD system did it's thing corrected my mistake and pushed more power to the wheels that had traction. I've never even had to use the VTM4 lock. I also have a Tahoe and have used my BiL's F150 to tow it. Can't really say either of those other two really tow it any better than my Ridgeline. When I go to Johnson Valley or Sand Hollow and I going to take my Ridgeline to go off roading? No. But if you stay under the 5k tow limit it tows very well and the traction control system makes pulling out of slippery ramps pretty easy.
As for pulling a boat out with waves I've never seen a wave at our lake so I'm not sure what it's like. If I'm in a body of water that will have waves in it I hope I'm towing something a lot bigger than the 5k tow limit of my ridgeline would allow.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:11 pm to auggie
quote:Literally never seen it.
Plenty of situations like that.
quote:You really should comment on things you know about.
Ridgeline is fine for pulling your golf cart or 4 wheeler though.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:21 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
I own a 2wd tundra now. Would not get a truck that wasn't 4wd again. Mostly for resale reasons and I have gotten my 2wd stuck a couple times I didn't think I would. Never had an issue on a boat ramp but I have tried to avoid the sketchy ones because I have 2wd. But I feel like if you are getting a truck get a 4wd.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 4:27 pm to AlxTgr
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quote:Plenty of situations like that.Literally never seen it.
Then you haven't seen much. If you think a Honda Ridgeline, stacks up to a 4wd truck, you better keep your arse on the pavement. You damn sure, better not hook up to an equipment trailer and go pick up any custom lumber from the little sawmill over the mountain, or load up your tractor and bushhog, to take it anywhere.
If you never do any real work with your truck, and you have a small boat and never put in at any steep arse rough boat ramps, like you will find in different places, then your ridgeline might be fine.
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quote:Ridgeline is fine for pulling your golf cart or 4 wheeler though.
You really should comment on things you know about.
So, They won't work for that? That's worse than I thought.
Here is the final point. Anybody who needs a truck, and does real work with a truck, isn't going to buy your ridgeline. You have to sell it, to a person, who is looking for a ridgeline. Old man that I know, had a 4 sale sign on his, and had it parked at The winn Dixie parking lot for 6 months. It was in nice shape with low miles. He wanted a bigger truck, so he could pull a bigger boat. He didn't get either one, he had to keep driving his ridgeline.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 4:49 pm to AlxTgr
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You really should comment on things you know about.
No point, in starting, now.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:03 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
I just bought a used fully loaded 2019 Dodge Ram classic big horn 4x4 crew cab 5.7L hemi The last of the 4th generation. Gotta be careful I was going home the other day and looked down and was going 107 and I didn’t realize it the ride is so smooth.
I’ve read to many horror stories on the new rams breaking down and stuff. I never buy a new version of a vehicle (especially when it’s being built at 2 new factories) until the work out the kinks the first year or 2.
I’ve read to many horror stories on the new rams breaking down and stuff. I never buy a new version of a vehicle (especially when it’s being built at 2 new factories) until the work out the kinks the first year or 2.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:03 pm to Flats
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Flats
It's a good thing that you guys who bought those Ridgelines, are happy with them, because you are probably going have to own them forever, or trade them for another ridgeline. Maybe you can sell them to each other though, you sure won't be able to sell it to anybody who needs a truck.
That's fine, I like El Caminos. They have a bed that you can haul lawn mowers and little stuff in, most have a V8 and a limited slip differential, they are fine for pulling small boats too. I like them, but I aint going to convince myself( or anybody else) that it's as good as a 4 wheel drive truck.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 5:15 pm
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